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Originally Posted by tsurara  WHO ARE THESE HISTORIANS?!~
You haven't named a single historian, book, theory, anything at all...
For the love of God woman! Give me some actual references!
I'm getting frustrated... so far this debate is entirely speculative! >_<
The entire thread is based on something that someone of some murky origin/profession may or may not have said on an unnamed tv program... and now I'm debating semantics about accepted fact acknowledged by all sorts of historians without names, origins or affiliations who may or may not have written all sorts of books on bisexual societies that apparently are all out of print. Not to mention all those failed gay societies that have crumbled so spectacularly that the only records of their existance no longer exist (but are still universally accepted). |
You think you are getting frustrated? You seem determined to take everything I say out of context No matter how many times I correct you. I have given you the context from the very beginning and all you do is counter me with something out of context by insisting that because it is homosexuality, societies like Japan and Greece are homosexual when from the very beginning I gave the parameters that
historians use that excluded them. If I have already excluded them from the example given how can you then use it as a claim of disproof? It just boggles the mind.
As I told you, I am related to
two historians. I have also heard it on other news reports etc. many times but I don't know of any books written on the subject just papers which are not given to the public. There is a reason I said to go ask a
world historian, there are no net materials I know of I can link you to but there are professional ones and it will take talking to a professional to get them. If you want to know go ask one. Unless FallenSpiral can give a link to the news cast in question or you are willing to do that there is really nothing more to be said.
Let me make this perfectly clear for you one last time so you will know what to ask if you do. The question is what are the signs that a society has become weak enough that it will not be able to withstand internal or external pressure or survive a large scale natural disaster?
In this case you are looking for signs having to do with a weak or strong family unit. Does the society have a strong family unit where you have a mother and father who are married and support and raise their children. If not does the society consider other relationships and unit's acceptable and standard such as exclusive homosexual relationships (not marrying someone of the opposite gender and raising a family anyway), having children without getting married or intending to, and casual divorce. If your family unit (mother, father, and child living together) is not strong neither will the society be strong.
There are others, many others but that is another subject. It is actually a fascinating one if you ever do want to learn about it. Be prepared to ask a professional to recommend something written on paper though and not a url.
Just to be clear to anyone unfortunate enough to read this thread so far. The reason I am frustrated is not because tsurara does not believe me, I could care less about that, but because I hate it when people misquote, misrepresent, or ignore what I have said especially when they are talking directly to me.