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So, Luminous -- if you could disprove the existence of God rationally or by presenting cold, hard evidence that immediately proves that premise, leaving no loopholes for religious types to argue out of, you and your fellow atheists will have single-handedly won the debate. So would you choose to hack at leaves and twigs -- that is, the relatively smaller issues, nowhere getting nearer to any conclusion, or would you rather hack at the problem's root instead -- that is, the existence of God?
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Does hacking at the actual existance of God ever result in anything? There are religious people who believe in an omnipotent God. Omnipotence is a clear contradiction of itself. Do they care? Of course not, because its their faith, and they are sticking to it. People still argue Evolution isn't true, saying "Its just a theory", even though it's fairly likely. The reason I don't go with those arguements is that they don't work, people just don't care about the loopholes and theories. Once again, Russel's Teapot, despite these arguements that Atheists throw out, it isn't actually our job to disprove God, it is the job of theists to prove it, and such is why I don't enjoy loophole arguing. I don't think it leads anywhere, because we cannot obviously 100% disprove the existance of a deity.
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Originally Posted by Arriana If God forces us to be "good" then "good" ceases to exist, if he feeds the hungry, clothes the poor, and succors the sick and wounded then we ourselves have no opportunity to do good. Even children have to learn sometime. God is good and so we can be |
I understand the free will idea, but I still don't quite understand why a benevolent God would even create a system whereby we must consume other life to survive. If you take food out of the equation for life, do you really end up losing something out of the spirit of humanity? I allude to the case of starving children specifically, because that atrocity doesn't necesarrily happen because someone was evil due to free will. It just happens because there was no food to be found.