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    Re: if the Idea is not absurd...then is no hope it

    Like Legend stated not all topics are allowed to be asked here on AO, if too personal than we close the thread and state it is “journal” material, so unless the thread asks an abstract question (which in some cases aren’t going to help the person with their situation) then it isn’t allowed here. This allows people to get more specific help to things that they just want a vast array of opinions on.

    We can always provide a disclaimer that would by virtue of using the site remove liability for damages which may occur from taking the advice of the members of this site. Have the user post a standardize disclaimer with their posts that the advice that they are given will not hold them to liability.

    Basically the disclaimer would be like this:

    Opinions shared here on Anime Online are NOT to be considered legal council, professional counseling or anything more than one person's personal opinion. Taking of said advice is done so at the risk of the person taking the advice and thus all advice should only be taken as a singular view point on the subject. By use of this site, Anime Online, the respective owner and its members hold no responsibility or liability if the use of opinions on this site cause mental, bodily or other harms to the person taking the stated advice.
    Also just because it isn’t a professional opinion doesn’t mean it will be bad or that the person will take it even if it was. I also disagree that those with influence from “experience, religion, whatever” are going to automatically be “non-neutral” giving biased, skewed or harmful advice just because they have external influences. As someone who has actually studied Sociology I can tell you that if that was true no one would ever be qualified to give an opinion because all ANY OF US have to base or even form opinions on is experiences, religion or other’s opinions all influenced heavily by those around us.

    If anything it is the exposure to those experiences, religion or other’s opinions that MAKES us qualified to speak on them. After all right or wrong is a matter of your personal view point and how they fit into social standards in society.

    Neutrality of opinion by certified counselors, psychiatrist or your average Joe isn’t about not having influence but from not holding one train of thoughts or concepts as absolute, realizing there are many ways to accomplish the same thing and for different people varying methods will be affective as well as void.


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    Re: if the Idea is not absurd...then is no hope it

    Quote Originally Posted by zyta View Post
    I can help give advice. I was a junior counselor in High School dealing with said problems that tsu stated. Also took Psychology in college.
    Pretty much all of us took Psychology in college. It's a GEN-ED requirement for most universities. That doesn't mean we paid attention, or learned anything about crisis mangament.

    I'm trained as a "youth counsellor" too... And the FIRST thing we learned in training for our crisis line was that people who have REAL problems generally don't feel comfortable talking about those problems honestly in public. The last thing someone who feels scared or ashamed wants is a public thread to be kept for posterity on the internet, searchable by anyone out there on any search-engine, member or not, that's going to incriminate them later.

    In the age of cyber-bullying, jobs canvasing their potential employees through google searches, etc. I think we'd be offering a false sense of security in offering advice to those who would REALLY need it.

    All someone needs to do is post up that they might be gay and we'll have half a dozen Conservative Christians tell them they're going to hell, more people write manifestos on how gays have the right to be whoever they are, a bunch of yaoi fangirls convincing them to "Go for it" and no one at all actually doing what they SHOULD be: which is just listening and then referring the troubled person to a specialist, their parents or groups that might be able to help them. Not to mention what happens when a high school friend "stumbles" on this site, finds out their classmate might be queer and then starts spreading it around school the next day.

    I'm against creating the illusion that we are in any position to help people who are genuinely troubled. We aren't. It's an entertainment forum on the internet.

    Discussions about general issues can already go in cyber lounge.

    Creating a forum just for little kids to give soap-box advice is only going to create a place to shine the spotlight on attention-whores who we've been trying to weed out by making personal **** journal material in the first place while creating a false sense of security/reality/friendship for younger members who may not be able to distinguish between an internet forum and actual psychological help.

    And what does this have to do with anime and manga?! Can we make some additions to the site that are actually relevant to it's topic for once? O_o;

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    Re: if the Idea is not absurd...then is no hope it

    I don't think we need another section devoted to merely problems; one could simply start a new thread in the Cyber Lounge, could they not?

    This is an anime & manga community... Not a therapist's office, unfortunately. And while I personally think it'd be pleasant to get free, online, professional psychological help, it's a little... Well, how many people do you think that go here are qualified enough to give that sort of help? Sure, there may be people here who understand your problems —when it comes to psychological problems, I'm chock full of them :laughs:—, but I doubt that same person can recommend you on what sort of antidepressants and whatnot that you should take.

    I've been to forums with sections like this... Not pretty. Soapbox full of hormones, juvenile insecurities, and no real help whatsoever.

    And regarding seriousthe course of my life most definitely depends on it— problems that don't deal with mental fragility and unstability... Well, seeing as most of us on here would never probably meet that person in real life or see their problems, I don't think advice for those sort of problems would be useful often, either.

    I suggest that people seek out counselors, family members, et cetera than an anime/manga forum for help if they'll benefit most from the former.
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    Re: if the Idea is not absurd...then is no hope it

    hummm...... about this idea I really don't like it. This site would become the "drama site" and as many have remarked not everyone here is qualified to give counseling. yes psyc is a gen-ed class and because someone took it does not mean that he/she is a psycologist.
    Plus I see this community to hang around and to relax from the already full of drama world we live in; and I am very sure that more than one person uses the PMs to get some sort of counseling from their AO friends. I am not saying it is bad... but let's just keep it that way ^_^... Private....
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    Re: if the Idea is not absurd...then is no hope it

    i like the idea and yea there are people that would want to put dumb crap up there but we could just makes rules regarding what it appropriate and whats not.

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    Re: if the Idea is not absurd...then is no hope it

    Well there are alot of newbies each day alone and that would take way to much work for animeonline you would have to have 100s of people helping out and i think maybe instead we could make a introduction help handkit so that it can give them help and it wont take up everybodys time.

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    Re: if the Idea is not absurd...then is no hope it

    i liked the idea but there must be "specific" people to do it ... and that's it .. and as The Gungrave of Trigun said there's so many newbies that become active for a few days then disappear ... and that would be real hard on AO's people doing that advice service ...
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    Re: if the Idea is not absurd...then is no hope it

    Quote Originally Posted by tsurara View Post
    Pretty much all of us took Psychology in college. It's a GEN-ED requirement for most universities. That doesn't mean we paid attention, or learned anything about crisis mangament.

    I'm trained as a "youth counsellor" too... And the FIRST thing we learned in training for our crisis line was that people who have REAL problems generally don't feel comfortable talking about those problems honestly in public. The last thing someone who feels scared or ashamed wants is a public thread to be kept for posterity on the internet, searchable by anyone out there on any search-engine, member or not, that's going to incriminate them later.

    In the age of cyber-bullying, jobs canvasing their potential employees through google searches, etc. I think we'd be offering a false sense of security in offering advice to those who would REALLY need it.

    All someone needs to do is post up that they might be gay and we'll have half a dozen Conservative Christians tell them they're going to hell, more people write manifestos on how gays have the right to be whoever they are, a bunch of yaoi fangirls convincing them to "Go for it" and no one at all actually doing what they SHOULD be: which is just listening and then referring the troubled person to a specialist, their parents or groups that might be able to help them. Not to mention what happens when a high school friend "stumbles" on this site, finds out their classmate might be queer and then starts spreading it around school the next day.

    I'm against creating the illusion that we are in any position to help people who are genuinely troubled. We aren't. It's an entertainment forum on the internet.

    Discussions about general issues can already go in cyber lounge.

    Creating a forum just for little kids to give soap-box advice is only going to create a place to shine the spotlight on attention-whores who we've been trying to weed out by making personal **** journal material in the first place while creating a false sense of security/reality/friendship for younger members who may not be able to distinguish between an internet forum and actual psychological help.

    And what does this have to do with anime and manga?! Can we make some additions to the site that are actually relevant to it's topic for once? O_o;
    I think Tsu's comment deserves to be put on pg2 because whats being said will answer you questions or rid you of any, i suggest everyone carefully read it.

    Basically, we think it's best not to act like any of us have the right to publicly sugar-coat someone with false or unexperienced advice. I'd offer anyone to seek PROFESSIONAL help, you will not find it on the internet. To do otherwise and we'll just have a lawsuit on our hands

    should i close?...i'll let other mods decide

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