Alternate Fuels - Page 2

_gwenibe_ · Apr 30, 2008, 11:51 PM

Tidal power, from what I have heard, it can produce a great amount of energy but it also has the possibility of causing massive disruption to the local environment in the way in which it is done. During construction as well as during it life, fish migration other wildlife, the natural movements and flows can be greatly disrupted/ destroyed. .

Which is a shame because it would be a real option considering the amount of energy it would create

gamemaster331 · Apr 30, 2008, 11:55 PM

The way I read it is that they bury the turbines deep in the ocean with grates and the like. They have it now to wear it causes very little impact to the undersea environment. At least that's what I've read. Not sre if it is to that point already or not, yet. If we put both environmentalist and engineers working together on it, I'm sure that it could be done. I also forgot to mention that Lake Erie can be a source of tidal power.

_gwenibe_ · May 01, 2008, 01:37 AM

Your talking about off shore turbines right? I can see how they would have an affect any where they are placed - particularly during construction phase. The other is Tidal Barrages, which by the looks would have more of an impact on the environment (info)

Maybe as time goes on we will have something better, but at the moment it doesn't seem to good compared to other renewables.

gamemaster331 · May 01, 2008, 01:59 AM

Yeah. Initially, they'd have a great impact on the system, but with careful placement and proper construction, they would be alot better for the environment than the plants that use fossil fuels and not as dangerous as some nuclear plants. From what I learned in my Environmental classes, Perry Nuclear Plant is situated on a faultline several cities over and the elctricity it produces isn't even used in the area.
I was also thinking of their placement in areas where the natural ecology has already been disturbed ruined.

**LenMiyata** · May 01, 2008, 11:39 AM

Grumble Grumble Grumble

Tidal Power actually has even less viable locations then Geothermal power. What is the average difference in height between high tide and low tide? (6 feet?, 12 feet? How many Hydropower dams do you know of that are only 12 feet tall???) And capturing and diverting the high tide in significant amounts is bound to have environmental consequences for fish migration and habitat.

What might be a more viable solution would be to harness the power of Waves. The major issue with both is that locations with either strong wave or tidal power potential are usually far away from where the power demands are....

FAQ: Energy on the high seas - CNET News.com

*RayMe* · May 02, 2008, 08:04 PM

I recently watched this documentary on Earth day.. and they were airing this show about new source or fuel for cars and vehicles... which is now being run in small size all over the world... and some still in research...

In one of it.. they thought of using cars as a source of energy instead of using energy to move cars... Imagine the quantity of the cars and the amount of energy used everyday for just a day... and immagine if the energy can be channelled and turned into electric per say.... car users can pay their electric bills by just connecting thier car to the electric socket in their house and let the organization take the energy produced by it then distribute to the country... @.@ much safer... cleaner and quite effiecient way of getting energy na? (what i mean here is by turning Kinetic energy into electricity or other means of collecting energy by using kinetic energy or a car)

As for moving the cars.. other means of energy can be used.. for example are Hydrogen fueled cars... Bio fueled cars... Solar energy and ect ect.... These are all renewable and much cleaner for the environtment in many aspects... ^^

gamemaster331 · May 02, 2008, 09:29 PM

I forget which it is, but there's a plant that they can extract petrol from. I read it in a science book that came out in the early 80s. I can't remember the details though. That was a looong time ago.

*RayMe* · May 05, 2008, 10:47 PM

umm my.. o.O thats kinda unbelievable..

a type of plant that can extract petrol... gee..

but i doubt it will be in high quantity.. if it even exists that is... oh well... i wont believe it unless you have a very good prove on it except saying that you read from a book long time ago... you might have mixed your imaginations or something

But... this is the real one... Do you guys know about fotosintensis? Yea... the process where plant change light + water + CO2 + minerals = O2 + glucose... Well... There are scientist in the process thought of that they would separate O2 and Hidrogen from water by using a technique with the same principal... and it uses sunlight... this hidrogen will then be used to fuel cars... Still under studies now ... ^^

gamemaster331 · May 05, 2008, 10:56 PM

Actually, it was in a group of books put out by National Geographic. The energy companies never followed through with the process. The cost was too much, I guess.
There is another plant choking some of the shipping lanes of the Gulf of Mexico which apparently has learned how to use the oil and the like given off by the ships as a food source. Scientists are currently looking into seeing if they could get energy from that plant.

*RayMe* · May 05, 2008, 11:03 PM

That is interesting indeed... ^^ I think plants could do and produce more energy... it have been around us... supporting us for such a long time and most people don't even understand or appreciate what good the plants have given instead some people had to be selfish and use whats on Earth in big quantities...it is dying right now..

So.. i believe the use of petroleum for energy source should be stopped as quick as possible... Since the scientist have found many other energy sources... why not use that in bigger quantities? Its safer... and cleaner... efficient... money wise for long term period... durable.. renewable... gee.. just what the Earth could use...

gamemaster331 · May 05, 2008, 11:11 PM

Now that I'm thinking about it, the petroleum plants produced an organic form of petroleum that didn't give off the massive amounts of carbon dioxide or other hazardous chemicals when burned.
I too believe that we need to take a closer look at plants. Scientists have found hundreds of plants that could theoretically be used for energy and some believe that there are still more that haven't been looked at.

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_gwenibe_ wtf mate? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Aussie Land! Posts: 1,167 Thanks: 1 Thanked 24 Times in 21 Posts Credits: 19,548	Re: Alternate Fuels Tidal power, from what I have heard, it can produce a great amount of energy but it also has the possibility of causing massive disruption to the local environment in the way in which it is done. During construction as well as during it life, fish migration other wildlife, the natural movements and flows can be greatly disrupted/ destroyed. . Which is a shame because it would be a real option considering the amount of energy it would create __________________ \|Anime Vector\|
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gamemaster331 Devoted Otaku Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ashtabula, Ohio, USA Posts: 658 Thanks: 34 Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts Credits: 23,731	Re: Alternate Fuels The way I read it is that they bury the turbines deep in the ocean with grates and the like. They have it now to wear it causes very little impact to the undersea environment. At least that's what I've read. Not sre if it is to that point already or not, yet. If we put both environmentalist and engineers working together on it, I'm sure that it could be done. I also forgot to mention that Lake Erie can be a source of tidal power.
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_gwenibe_ wtf mate? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Aussie Land! Posts: 1,167 Thanks: 1 Thanked 24 Times in 21 Posts Credits: 19,548	Re: Alternate Fuels Your talking about off shore turbines right? I can see how they would have an affect any where they are placed - particularly during construction phase. The other is Tidal Barrages, which by the looks would have more of an impact on the environment (info) Maybe as time goes on we will have something better, but at the moment it doesn't seem to good compared to other renewables. __________________ \|Anime Vector\|
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gamemaster331 Devoted Otaku Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ashtabula, Ohio, USA Posts: 658 Thanks: 34 Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts Credits: 23,731	Re: Alternate Fuels Yeah. Initially, they'd have a great impact on the system, but with careful placement and proper construction, they would be alot better for the environment than the plants that use fossil fuels and not as dangerous as some nuclear plants. From what I learned in my Environmental classes, Perry Nuclear Plant is situated on a faultline several cities over and the elctricity it produces isn't even used in the area. I was also thinking of their placement in areas where the natural ecology has already been disturbed ruined.
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LenMiyata Grouchy Old Anime Otaku Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Silicon Valley, California Posts: 4,533 Thanks: 0 Thanked 62 Times in 57 Posts Credits: 46,505	Re: Alternate Fuels Grumble Grumble Grumble Tidal Power actually has even less viable locations then Geothermal power. What is the average difference in height between high tide and low tide? (6 feet?, 12 feet? How many Hydropower dams do you know of that are only 12 feet tall???) And capturing and diverting the high tide in significant amounts is bound to have environmental consequences for fish migration and habitat. What might be a more viable solution would be to harness the power of Waves. The major issue with both is that locations with either strong wave or tidal power potential are usually far away from where the power demands are.... FAQ: Energy on the high seas - CNET News.com __________________ FAVOURITE THREADS EXPLAIN why, or risk an infraction. Rantings of a Grouchy Old Anime Otaku
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RayMe 1 )3^^( )N Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Somewhere i would love to leave right now for somewhere better... Posts: 3,612 Thanks: 57 Thanked 28 Times in 25 Posts Credits: 59,735	Re: Alternate Fuels I recently watched this documentary on Earth day.. and they were airing this show about new source or fuel for cars and vehicles... which is now being run in small size all over the world... and some still in research... In one of it.. they thought of using cars as a source of energy instead of using energy to move cars... Imagine the quantity of the cars and the amount of energy used everyday for just a day... and immagine if the energy can be channelled and turned into electric per say.... car users can pay their electric bills by just connecting thier car to the electric socket in their house and let the organization take the energy produced by it then distribute to the country... @.@ much safer... cleaner and quite effiecient way of getting energy na? (what i mean here is by turning Kinetic energy into electricity or other means of collecting energy by using kinetic energy or a car) As for moving the cars.. other means of energy can be used.. for example are Hydrogen fueled cars... Bio fueled cars... Solar energy and ect ect.... These are all renewable and much cleaner for the environtment in many aspects... ^^ __________________ Legion Ketsueki Lives on~!! The best ever Lasura~! >>>myspace<<<
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gamemaster331 Devoted Otaku Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ashtabula, Ohio, USA Posts: 658 Thanks: 34 Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts Credits: 23,731	Re: Alternate Fuels I forget which it is, but there's a plant that they can extract petrol from. I read it in a science book that came out in the early 80s. I can't remember the details though. That was a looong time ago.
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RayMe 1 )3^^( )N Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Somewhere i would love to leave right now for somewhere better... Posts: 3,612 Thanks: 57 Thanked 28 Times in 25 Posts Credits: 59,735	Re: Alternate Fuels umm my.. o.O thats kinda unbelievable.. a type of plant that can extract petrol... gee.. but i doubt it will be in high quantity.. if it even exists that is... oh well... i wont believe it unless you have a very good prove on it except saying that you read from a book long time ago... you might have mixed your imaginations or something But... this is the real one... Do you guys know about fotosintensis? Yea... the process where plant change light + water + CO2 + minerals = O2 + glucose... Well... There are scientist in the process thought of that they would separate O2 and Hidrogen from water by using a technique with the same principal... and it uses sunlight... this hidrogen will then be used to fuel cars... Still under studies now ... ^^ __________________ Legion Ketsueki Lives on~!! The best ever Lasura~! >>>myspace<<<
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gamemaster331 Devoted Otaku Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ashtabula, Ohio, USA Posts: 658 Thanks: 34 Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts Credits: 23,731	Re: Alternate Fuels Actually, it was in a group of books put out by National Geographic. The energy companies never followed through with the process. The cost was too much, I guess. There is another plant choking some of the shipping lanes of the Gulf of Mexico which apparently has learned how to use the oil and the like given off by the ships as a food source. Scientists are currently looking into seeing if they could get energy from that plant.
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May 05, 2008, 11:03 PM	#21 (permalink)
RayMe 1 )3^^( )N Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Somewhere i would love to leave right now for somewhere better... Posts: 3,612 Thanks: 57 Thanked 28 Times in 25 Posts Credits: 59,735	Re: Alternate Fuels That is interesting indeed... ^^ I think plants could do and produce more energy... it have been around us... supporting us for such a long time and most people don't even understand or appreciate what good the plants have given instead some people had to be selfish and use whats on Earth in big quantities...it is dying right now.. So.. i believe the use of petroleum for energy source should be stopped as quick as possible... Since the scientist have found many other energy sources... why not use that in bigger quantities? Its safer... and cleaner... efficient... money wise for long term period... durable.. renewable... gee.. just what the Earth could use... __________________ Legion Ketsueki Lives on~!! The best ever Lasura~! >>>myspace<<<
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gamemaster331 Devoted Otaku Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ashtabula, Ohio, USA Posts: 658 Thanks: 34 Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts Credits: 23,731	Re: Alternate Fuels Now that I'm thinking about it, the petroleum plants produced an organic form of petroleum that didn't give off the massive amounts of carbon dioxide or other hazardous chemicals when burned. I too believe that we need to take a closer look at plants. Scientists have found hundreds of plants that could theoretically be used for energy and some believe that there are still more that haven't been looked at.
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