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    Nanjing Massacre: The Movie

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    It looks like Japanese war atrocities will be an even hotter topic soon now that a group of right-wing specialists have made a new documentary called The Truth About Nanjing.
    The hawks of Japan aren't the only one making a film about the events either. It appears that almost a dozen films related to the subject are in production at the moment. The Japanese documentary might even be a response to them.

    Any intelligent thoughts? If this becomes good enough I might even transport it to the Debate forum.

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    Re: Nanjing Massacre: The Movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Hassun View Post
    Japan Focus LINK HERE

    It looks like Japanese war atrocities will be an even hotter topic soon now that a group of right-wing specialists have made a new documentary called The Truth About Nanjing.
    The hawks of Japan aren't the only one making a film about the events either. It appears that almost a dozen films related to the subject are in production at the moment. The Japanese documentary might even be a response to them.

    Any intelligent thoughts? If this becomes good enough I might even transport it to the Debate forum.
    I just hope no one is dumb enough to believe this shit. I doubt during times of war the Chinese would still have time to photoshop and waste time making fake pictures. Besides it is not like these atrocities were only done to one country, other countries like Philippines also suffered from the cruelty of Japanese soldiers of that time.

    It be the same as if the US said they never drop the a-bombs, someone's microwave just exploded creating a chain reaction in the whole city.

    'Cause you give me something / That makes me scared, alright / This could be nothing / But I'm willing to give it a try / Please give me something
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    Re: Nanjing Massacre: The Movie

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    I just hope no one is dumb enough to believe this shit. I doubt during times of war the Chinese would still have time to photoshop and waste time making fake pictures. Besides it is not like these atrocities were only done to one country, other countries like Philippines also suffered from the cruelty of Japanese soldiers of that time.

    It be the same as if the US said they never drop the a-bombs, someone's microwave just exploded creating a chain reaction in the whole city.
    That would be extra funny considering the microwave oven hadn't even been invented back then.
    But I'm not just talking about that right-wing documentary, a whole slew of films are being made about Nanjing, both Asian and Western. I wonder if it'll change anything in Japan. It's not likely that any of them will ever be released there.

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    Re: Nanjing Massacre: The Movie

    I abhor propaganda... and two out of the three planned films (the Japanese and Chinese productions) are just that.

    Revisionists and hate-mongers have no business making "documentaries"... especially when one country is already so deep in public denial and the other so eager to stir up hatred using the subject.

    It's time to bury this hatchet, one way or another. Both sides need to accept their history and stop throwing pebbles at each other in hopes of provoking a reaction.

    China and Japan are both so happy in thier "victimhood" after World War II that they believe they can do no wrong. And that, I'm sorry, is crap.

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    Re: Nanjing Massacre: The Movie

    Quote Originally Posted by tsurara View Post
    It's time to bury this hatchet, one way or another. Both sides need to accept their history and stop throwing pebbles at each other in hopes of provoking a reaction.
    But how to go about this? Making the whole world aware?

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    Lol, according to them, there is no hatchet?

    "HATCHET? what hatchet? Never was a hatchet in the first place."

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    Re: Nanjing Massacre: The Movie

    Japan sincerely believes that the A-bomb was their comeuppance and that being the only nation to endure the destruction of such a weapon, that they are asbolved from all the evils they committed on the road there. Japan has been deep in self-pity over Hiroshima and Nagasaki ever since. They lost, they were punished, and now they are martyrs to the rest of the world.

    It is also not a culture of public remorse... especially when the Japanese people were manipulated heavily by their own government (something they have yet to come to terms with WITHIN Japan). Add to this a general disinterest of the young in all matters war-related and the personal baggage of the surviving wartime Japanese (who have nearly all PERSONALLY gone through a great deal in the war)... and there isn't exactly a huge public outcry to be held accountable.

    There is the overriding feeling that Japan has been punished enough. Thier defeat has more or less irradicated any sentiment for conflict in the public zeitgeist and has created a nation where the average citizen hates war, wants to help 3rd world nations, sympathizes with victims of most conflicts and would like nothing more than to see nuclear weapons wiped off the face of the Earth. Much of this peacemongering is government and media supported... it's also usually incredibly naeive, uninformed and ineffectual. But they mean well and they think the world looks to Japan as a beacon of peace.

    They aren't dangerous, most of the perpetrators themselves are no longer alive, and they have suffered as much as their victims: this isn't exactly a fabulous atmosphere for inspiring guilt.

    China, on the other hand, wouldn't accept an apology even if it was given. China has a long-term vested interest in painting Japan as a violent, opportunist and even evil nation. They have stirred up anti-Japanese sentiment intentionally on multiple occaisions in order to create feelings of unity throughout Asia (which THEY are currently on a campaign of expansion and occupation in). Indeed the Chinese government is COMMITTING quite a few atrocities while it shakes it's finger at the Japanese government for refusing to publically apologize for things that happened 50 years ago.

    They demand the inclusion of the atrocities in Nanjing in textbooks... but fail to include the human cost of the Cultural Revolution in their own. They are currently occupying Tibet, violently; quash all anti-government sentiment; censor their media heavily; and are in the process of displacing thousands of their own citizens to build stadiums to show their power as a nation in the Olympics.

    China is on the road to be as much a of a bully as Japan was... and their size and economic power makes them hundreds of times more dangerous.

    China doesn't want an apology: they want a distraction.
    Japan doesn't want to apologize: they want to be forgiven without having to lose face.

    This won't be resolved any time soon... because China is intent on keeping anti-Japanese sentiment high in order to keep it's own people off it's own back, create ties between other vehemently anti-Japanese nations (namely North Korea) and maintain a sway over Western public opinion in the matter of it's eternal victimhood.

    Both countries need to be spanked.

    But the kids aren't all buying it. The best we can hope for is that all the people who remember the war die and that their children aren't indoctrinated enough by their respective governments to continue the cycle that lead to it in the first place.

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    Re: Nanjing Massacre: The Movie

    Quote Originally Posted by tsurara View Post
    Japan sincerely believes that the A-bomb was their comeuppance and that being the only nation to endure the destruction of such a weapon, that they are absolved from all the evils they committed on the road there. Japan has been deep in self-pity over Hiroshima and Nagasaki ever since. They lost, they were punished, and now they are martyrs to the rest of the world.

    It is also not a culture of public remorse... especially when the Japanese people were manipulated heavily by their own government (something they have yet to come to terms with WITHIN Japan). Add to this a general disinterest of the young in all matters war-related and the personal baggage of the surviving wartime Japanese (who have nearly all PERSONALLY gone through a great deal in the war)... and there isn't exactly a huge public outcry to be held accountable.

    There is the overriding feeling that Japan has been punished enough. Thier defeat has more or less eradicated any sentiment for conflict in the public zeitgeist and has created a nation where the average citizen hates war, wants to help 3rd world nations, sympathizes with victims of most conflicts and would like nothing more than to see nuclear weapons wiped off the face of the Earth. Much of this peacemongering is government and media supported... it's also usually incredibly naive, uninformed and ineffectual. But they mean well and they think the world looks to Japan as a beacon of peace.

    They aren't dangerous, most of the perpetrators themselves are no longer alive, and they have suffered as much as their victims: this isn't exactly a fabulous atmosphere for inspiring guilt.

    China, on the other hand, wouldn't accept an apology even if it was given. China has a long-term vested interest in painting Japan as a violent, opportunist and even evil nation. They have stirred up anti-Japanese sentiment intentionally on multiple occasions in order to create feelings of unity throughout Asia (which THEY are currently on a campaign of expansion and occupation in). Indeed the Chinese government is COMMITTING quite a few atrocities while it shakes it's finger at the Japanese government for refusing to publicly apologize for things that happened 50 years ago.

    They demand the inclusion of the atrocities in Nanjing in textbooks... but fail to include the human cost of the Cultural Revolution in their own. They are currently occupying Tibet, violently; quash all anti-government sentiment; censor their media heavily; and are in the process of displacing thousands of their own citizens to build stadiums to show their power as a nation in the Olympics.

    China is on the road to be as much a of a bully as Japan was... and their size and economic power makes them hundreds of times more dangerous.

    China doesn't want an apology: they want a distraction.
    Japan doesn't want to apologize: they want to be forgiven without having to lose face.

    This won't be resolved any time soon... because China is intent on keeping anti-Japanese sentiment high in order to keep it's own people off it's own back, create ties between other vehemently anti-Japanese nations (namely North Korea) and maintain a sway over Western public opinion in the matter of it's eternal victimhood.

    Both countries need to be spanked.

    But the kids aren't all buying it. The best we can hope for is that all the people who remember the war die and that their children aren't indoctrinated enough by their respective governments to continue the cycle that lead to it in the first place.

    and they have suffered as much as their victims
    I'm not too sure about that.

    And as for China, they have censored the Nanjing Massacre themselves, mainly to uphold the Sino-Japanese trade relations. Even though they appear to be hostile to each other it isn't really the case as far as trade is concerned.
    Most of the backlash Japan gets about war atrocities is pretty deserved as far as I'm concerned. E.g. The textbook scandals and denial of forced prostitution of the 'comfort women'.

    I think Japan's main objective for the near future should be getting stronger relations with Korea and China up and running again. To at least partially counter its dependence on the USA.

    Related recent news:
    BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Nanjing massacre victims named

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