Sinistra

I read this article and thought it was a load of crap. people taking the Bible into a diliborating room for a trial of a convicted criminal.


Like this case I think any bible influenced judgement should be rethought out by the judge

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Zui Quan

I don't really see any problem with having a Bible in the room during jury deliberations. The big problem is that jurors were consulting the Bible as a tool for deciding the penalty phase. The ruling needed to be made based upon the laws of the State of Colorado, not Biblical law.

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Kikieru

This could set a bad example to other criminals, using religions to make there sentence easier or shorter. For life imprisonment, dont the taxpayers have to fork out for his food and living ?, if a convict is been imprisonned indefinately, why not give them the death penalty. Save on alot of money, but it can be considered the easy way out.

Sinistra

Its better to make a crimal live and suffer a life in jail then killing him. I should know a friend of mine was raped killed raped again then thrown into a trashcan and burnt. I so wanted this guy to get the death penilty for the crime but then I thought if he had any bad feelings about it like he regrets it I want it to drive him mad till he kills himself or till he dies. I mean I could see people basing it on the bible "eye for an eye tooth for a tooth" that would mean the guy would have to go through what the girl went through that he killed and raped. and any rapest would enjoy it. I mean Thats why they rape they can't get any so they force themselves on helpless women. Guys like that give the rest of us guys bad names.

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Kikieru

Yeah youre right, what are prisons like in USA, hopefully not like there are here in the UK, I did some electrical work at a young offenders prison, the prisoners get the use of a gym, swimming pool, education & lessons, There allowed TV, music, 3 meals a day, when they get out there stronger and smarter than they went in, then they repeat offend to go back inside becouse everything is free. In order to control the prisoners they are given all these lovelly liberites & privilages, so much for rehabilatation.

Arrianna

I'm with the governor on this one. If a juror is Christian it is rediculous to tell them they can't take their beliefs into account. To overthrow the ruling for this reason is demeaning to their beliefs and their decision for his punishment. I find it especially telling since in many states a judge cannot give a death sentence only a jury, it prevents one person from deciding something so important. Yet by overturning the jury based on an anti-religion bias the judge has removed that choice from them.

Mind you, I do see where you'ra comming from Lord Katsuhito. It's the same reason I have long been a supporter of castration for rapists. The way I see it though the problem with keeping someone alive who has done something this horrific is twofold. One, the public has to pay for his life, not him. And two, what if he actually gets out? Why keep someone alive if it is determined they are a sufficient danger to society that their very existance becomes dangerous?

IMHO

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Dark.

it's gotta be unconstitutional some where in to do this. Isn't a juror's descions suppose to be based off following the law and the punishments for that law? Katsuhito's right though, I'd much rather see the bastard waste away in prison and die slow rather than just get executed "on the spot" so to speak. This kind of following just doesn't seem right, because pretty soon other religions are gonna want to enforce what their faith says you should do to criminals than the law saying what they should pay.

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Sinistra

I agree I think all Sex offenders should have a court order to be castrated on conviction of the crime. This way if they are released back into mass public they can't rape again. I mean Its dumb to give them a chance at being free if they are just going to go out and do it again just like Kikieru said. Some people do it to Get Free health care free food free house paid by the tax payers. The bible in court is wrong IMO

Its like mixing religon in school

As for the guy I hope he has a nice life behind bars

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Kikieru

What about incorperation of tourture methodolgy into rehabilitation for the seroius but not too far gone eg.. somone who killed someone once, not a serial killer, just a one off mistake. a bit extreme but probally effective, what do you think ?

Arrianna

There is a big difference between a "religious court" and someone on a jury being asked to make a moral decision. The jury was making a determination within the law based on their moral beliefs, as they were asked to. If the death sentance was not already legal in this case the jurors would not have had the option of choosing it. The only reason the ruling was overturned was because it turned out those beliefs were Biblical. To me that shows bias against religion.

I would like to remind everyone, again, that the Consititution does not say anything about a seperation of church and state in spite of what the media tells you. All the "Constitution" says is that people running for office cannot be discriminated against based on their religion and all the "Bill of Rights" says is that the government is not allowed to make laws concerning or discriminating against religion.


To say that the Bible doesn't belong in a courtroom seems a little absurd to me since US legal code is based on the Bible. Like it or not, the country was founded by Christians. If they had belonged to another religion chances are our penal code would be a lot stricter.

Exactly.


PS.Kikieru, how would lowering ourselves to torture be effective? And would you really want someone with a job like that in government employ?

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jao

Excellent point ZQ.

I will note that that someone of faith should still have the right to express their judement based on the bible.

I dislike the idea of religion playing a large role in Court, schools and government but you cannot disallow people their rights to religion. If there everyone int he jury agreed, hopefully with a fair amount of Christian and Non-Christian people within the group then why not let it pass?

Besides, Christians have told us for years that no matter how bad your sins so long as you believe in god and pledge yourself to him you'll be saved.

I think life in jail is worst than death anyhow.