Kikieru

Topic is redarding the bible used in court, my questions relate the laws derived from the bible which are used for influence in court or the foundation. If the bible contains flaws and laws are derived from the bible, isnt the flaw inherented ?. but yeah youre right I did go far from the topic.

Sinistra

True I think Most states are trying to get rid of the deth penilty becasue its basicly the easy way out. We do have jail overcrowding because of the death penilty taking so long to be put into action against someone.

But that has nothing to do with the topic I mean seriusly People going to judge by the bible it leaves it open for other religions to rip something out of their "holy book" to covict someone

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ryke12

Hmm... a "bible" thread, eh? Well, to be honest, the bible had NOTHING to do with the case whatsoever.

How do we know that the person who asked about the sentence from the bible wouldn't just go home and look it up by themselves?

Obviously, (and I'm just restating what most of us know) the defense was just playing for time. They themselves didn't even consider the possibility of the bible truly changing the verdict.

*sigh* If only people would stop being so ornery about certain things? The bible, quran, torah, etc. really don't do anything in cases. "Oh, hey, the bible says this, lets do that." The only people (exaggeration) who would do that are serious zealots of the bible, people who would whip Holy Water (tm) into your eyes to get you to convert.

P.S. Before you flame me about how you follow the bible, note the "exaggeration" sign.

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Juggernaut

Anyone who wants to have the people tortured...
we might need to talk about that some other time.

As far as the constitutionality of it is concerned...The first amendment is where it talks about seperation of church and state. Even there it only says that congress cannon favor one religion over another or ban the practice of any religion. If a judge wishes to consult the Bible about something such as the death penalty, the constitution allows it, as long as biblical LAW is not the basis for their judgement. to say they may not would violate the first amendment.

A judge is bound by the law itself to do what they think will benifit american society. The people who saw that we should remove all religion from our culture shoud keep in mind this quote from the Bible: Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

BTW... where do you think morality came from?

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Kikieru

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
is there more to this or is it that simple, thou shall not kill under no circumstance, what if it is to feed your family by killing an animal, or does it only apply to humans again...

I previously stated...
And how come religions and its content only apply to humans and the human world, how many elaphants and penquins do you see nipping down to the local pentocostle church ?. The bible only adddresses human problems, if god exists or a subject of god how come you dont see other living entities folowing a set of values that are predefined (excluding the genetic code).


Quoting exodus 20:

20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
...Only worship one, me, (Sounds like a command more than an option)

20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
...You cannot serve or help others that dont conform to my rule, god will visit the wicked who hate me.

20:6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
...those who love, I will be mercifull, aslong as you conform.

20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
...6 days a week work, do all my work(I take it this our proof of loyalty, if the lord is so powerfull, why not do it himself?)

20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
...a days rest

20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
...Doesnt science, specificly paleantology provide proof that contradicts this ?

Exodus 20: sounds just like Iam your god, conform to my rule, do my work, those who sin, I will visit the 3rd and 4th generation of there children (and then what ?).

In a way it just sounds like many famous poeple of history just like hittler, stalin, saddam etc, All these had there own rule which they inforced, there way was the right path, those who hate or oppose were dealt with.

My interpretation of exodus maybe wrong, but if you read through it, it start to sound like a leader whom wants there own society in which people do there bidding.

Othere interesting parts: 20:24, 20:25, 20:26, these state that you should build an altar for me, made pure and not disrespect the altar by been naked.

If a law is not clearly defined nor specified with limitations then this will give rise to missinterpretation, therefore violations.

Zui Quan

There is more to the Ten Commandments (and the rest of Judaic doctrine set down in Deuteronomy) than just your negative literalism. The Bible has been through several stages of translation and interpretation in the 3,000+ (for the Old Testament) years it's been kicking around. Each successive version has been subject to the prevailing agenda of its translators and compilers.


All laws are subject to interpretation and misinterpretation regardless of how specific or general they are made. This subjectivity applies to both government statutes as well as religious doctrine. This is why there are institutions such a law schools and theological seminaries. It's why not just anyone can become a lawyer or a priest.

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Arrianna

Actually, if you go back to the origanal text it's correct translation is "Thou shalt not murder". A bad translation that has created alot of confusion.

Starting another thread for all your questions might be useful. It seems we have people here that could answer them if you're interested. Just realize some subjects have multiple interpetations.

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Juggernaut

The verse numbers I'm listing in this post are responses, not quotes...


20:3 It is a command (hence the word commandment)

20:5 Yes, the wages of sin is death. True death, not physical death. Gos is very strict about this rule. for along time between Adam and Moses, death reigned with no chance for salvation...but..God loves everybody

20:6 This is a metaphor (see above verse agian)

20:9 why doesn't he do you all our work since he's so powerful...BECAUSE ITS US THAT MESSED IT ALL UP IN THE FIRST PLACE. dude, he sent his only son to die a horrible death so that we may have eternal salvation, and its not enough...now he has to clean your room and take out the trash for you too?

20:10 a reminder that he he is a merciful God




Pretty much, to someone who truly understands God's glory, yeah it's offensive at first. But what can you do about it. It's right. We are worthless. Get over it. And if you love Him, it makes you happy too. Not because he does things for you, but because He is happy.


And a final note, no matter how clearly it is defined, we cant get it right. Only one man ever did, and that was Jesus. Moses was a murdurer. King David was an adultrer, and he was called a man after God's own heart. As humans we can't get it right, and that's what grace is. Grace is when God gives a gift we don't deserve and have done nothing to deserve. Besides, no one can do anthing worth recieving anything from God more than His wrath. And that's just the way it is. You can either win or lose. It's your choice though.

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Zui Quan

Now THERE is an arguement I'd like to have with you since I don't agree with any of that statement. But I won't in order to prevent the thread from getting off-topic.

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Arrianna

*cough* to late..... lol

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Kikieru

It doesnt specify that it the work was correcting human mistakes, it just says do gods work for 6 days, and I said WHY DOESNT HE DO HIS OWN WORK, rather than we do his work, or get us to do his work. (More missinterpretation).

As god is merciful, should we be merciful, should we forgive people of there sins, to what extent of the sins, The guilty can easily wash there hands of blood and if god can forgive there sins , should we forgive, but what about the victims, familys and friends in which the sin effected, should they forgive the sins of the guilty, should the guilty be forgiven for there sins inwhich have taken something that cannot be given back, to kill is to to take ones life, that can never be given back, should the family and friends of the victim forgive the guilty ?, could you ?,

The bible can be missinterpreted so easily, why doesnt god correct these missinterpretations, wouldnt that stop people straying from the path to god, or the path to heaven, or would god correcting the missinterpretations be classed as god correcting human mistakes, so we should correct our own then ?, so why do we need god, for heaven, for guidance, for something we wont know is true until we die, the bible was written by the hands of humans, and was spoken from the human mouth with human words, but I know its too easy for people to lie so I cant trust the bible, but I dont deny the possibility of gods existance, but as humans missinterpret, what we think is god, maybe something else, Im more fore science, as science has shown me more evidence of its self, but I dont absolutely belive science is 100% correct, simple becouse, its practiced by humans.

Strange how science and religion has so muched fundamentaly in common, a religion like science is nothing by itself, it requires a user, a practitioner, a person, but which is more evident to the truth ?, which do you think, for the path we walk, we can only reach the destination with sacrifice...

I apologise if Ive offended anyone with my views and questions. im still a young mind.