Thread: Bush pushes China over freedoms

What part of this are we supposed to be debating?

Since then, Beijing has threatened repeatedly to use force against the self-governed island that China claims as its own.

HA! "claims" nice choice of word American media

but seriously, before all the anti-China people jump on my ass, I'll say this...Taiwan is democratic on the surface but very corrupted and openly corrupted I might add...if anyone follows World News, the last presidential eleciton the incumbent was shot during an "attempt assassination." But many people speculate that it's an insider's doing as it was staged.

And moving on to China being not freedom enough, i'll say everything takes times especially a country with such a big population.

He's stupid, they're basically a capitalist country with a communist flavor... so by America's standards, it's already a freedom country...

besides, rebellion doesn't really work in China... even if it's backed by other countries, China has a firm, almost admirable, hold on its people...

all efforts, in my opinion, would be futile...

cuz it's China...

He's stupid, they're basically a capitalist country with a communist flavor... so by America's standards, it's already a freedom country...

Capitolism does not nessissarily mean freedom. They are not one in the same. Yes, China has limited capitolism but the citizens do not enjoy the same standard freedoms that we enjoy in truly free countires. Dissent against the government is punished. Even speaking 'freely' in a internet blog is grounds for a prison sentance. ALL infornmation is filtered by the government and China is even forcing Google and Microsoft to remove the terms "democracy" and "freedom" from internet searches by citizens of China. Freedom is not always about 'money', it's about the unalienable rights of citizens from around the world. I beleive what you would be describing would be the diffrence between Communisum and Democracy, not Capitolism.

@name one;

When is it ever 'stupid' to try to help people around the world atain freedom?

Why do we always have to debate rather or not GW Bush is "stupid"? No one went around asking if Clinton was "stupid" for trying to achive middle east peace. No one called him "stupid" for saying the same things about China that Bush is....but all of a sudden we must 'debate' rather or not Bush is "stupid"?

Originally Posted by name one

Bush tires to push China into freedom. The full Story click on here http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapc...ina/index.html

Now Should Bush make China a freedom country or Bush is stupid to help China to be a freedom country

Wah Wah Wah. Oh look, it's the temper tantrum corp again.

Point one. Bush cannot make China a free country, only China can do that.
Point two. Bushs intellegnce is only in doubt by those who do not have it. The man is a Harvard grad. Harvard! D grads from Harvard are the equvilant of A grads from the rest of the world.

By changing an actual, interesting subject into another poorly disguised "please slam on Bush" thread you have removed any originality in this thread.


Exmples of actual dission topics on subject;

Is this simply political retoric or can calling for change by the President of the US actually force any type of change in China?

Is it even possible for China to change?

Would China's government consider moving to a more "civil" society/? Why or why not?

Feel free to make more of your own.