Originally Posted by frr_vegeta
HOW CAN ANIMALS BE HOMOSEXUAL?!??!?!?!!??!!??!!? OMG THATS MAKIN ME GAG.
And I'm not just freakin out cuz its wrong...But rather..How in the Hell can animals be homo?!!!!
Thanks Pyroo. :]
Um I don't believe that people are born alcoholics but I do believe you are kinda born Gay. My half sister is gay and she was caught with girls when she wa in preschool. I swear and she remembers most of her old girlfriends. She even got kicked out of ellen meade which is a ballet school because she was caught with the owners daughter. So Yea born gay yes born alcholic no
Now announceing........*drum roll*
Mr.Aiora..
Animals can be homosexual because homosexuality is not always a choice, but a state of mind.
And I do not believe in a "gay gene" I simply feel that there are many aspects of the mind that are not determined by genetics, but rather by chance, and suppose two male twins are born together and grow up together, at the age where they start to become attracted to other people, one may find themselves attracted to girls, while the other may find themselves attracted to boys and not know why.
If homosexuality were a choice, why do so many teenagers who are homosexual try to hide it? Why are so many freaking out and asking what is wrong with them? If homosexuality was always a choice, then why are those teens homosexual if they don't want to be?
Because of their mental state. I believe that having sex with a man is indeed a chioce, but being homosexual is not in all cases.
Just as having sex with a woman is a chioce, or when I'm going to lunch is a chioce. The action is indeed a chioce, but the state of "being" a homosexual is not.
Population pressures. Most animals have a strong sex drive but in many species the alpha males steal all the females so you're left with a population of bachelors with a strong sex drive and no females. I read that in a study that someone did on rats. Incidentally, it was among the unmated bachelor populations that the most antisocial and 'criminal' tendencies were observed. Not sure what that proves (or what it has to do with this thread).
Good thing we're not animals, huh?
God gives us weaknesses so that we can turn them into strengths. There's that choice thing again - do we fight against our weaknesses or succumb to them saying "That's just the way I am."?
I ASKED FOR STRENGTH
I asked for Strength...
And God gave me Difficulties to make me strong.
I asked for Wisdom...
And God gave me Problems to solve.
I asked for Prosperity...
And God gave me Brain and Brawn to work.
I asked for Courage...
And God gave me Danger to overcome.
I asked for Love...
And God gave me troubled people to help.
I asked for Favors...
and God gave me Opportunities.
I got nothing I wanted...
But I received everything I needed.
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"Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
They're not. Claims of animal homosexuality are results of something called anthropomorphism.
an·thro·po·mor·phism
n.
Attribution of human motivation, characteristics, or behavior to inanimate objects, animals, or natural phenomena.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
There's an article you can read if you want the long explaination:
http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html
but the short explaination is that animal behavior has diferent explainations then it would amoung humans. Behavior that amoung humans would be considered sexual in the animal kingdom is a form of showing dominance or, as in the case of canines, a result of confused senses from overwelming scents and pherimones.
Not that it matters anyway since if you were to base human nature on that of animals you would have to conclude that Cannabalism, Filicide, Gang Rape, and Abandonment of the Elderly should also be society norms.
The very thought is absurd.
I am going to be as kind as I can in saying that the idea of unconditional gentic sexuality as concerning homosexuality is false. There is no genetic link that has been proven to create a determination or tendencey toward human homosexuality. There are many purely phycological factors however that have been found to directly impact a tendency toward such.
Even if there were however, to claim that a genetic predispostion toward alcoholism does not negate choice yet for homosexuality it does is likewise absurd. You cannot have it both ways. Either gentics only provide a disposition and we still have choice or genetics determine what we will be and there is no choice. If you claim the first (as the study quoted at the beginning and many others appear to prove) then sexuality is completely a matter of choice. If you claim the second then we have to likewise absolve alcoholics and murderers with genetic predispotions of any responsibility for their actions.
I personally am not prepared to do that so I will continue to think of all of the above as a matter of choice and personal responsibility.
Last edited by Arrianna; Nov 30, 2005 at 11:52 AM.
Even if there were however, to claim that a genetic predispostion toward alcoholism does not negate choice yet for homosexuality it does is likewise absurd. You cannot have it both ways. Either gentics only provide a disposition and we still have choice or genetics determine what we will be and there is no choice. If you claim the first (as the study quoted at the beginning and many others appear to prove) then sexuality is completely a matter of choice. If you claim the second then we have to likewise absolve alcoholics and murderers with genetic predispotions of any responsibility for their actions.
I personally am not prepared to do that so I will continue to think of all of the above as a matter of choice and personal responsibility.[/QUOTE]
yes genetics play apart in some cases
wether we choose to act on them - is nothing thing
genetic alcholism - is not alcholism in the i must have drink every day
instead it is tendecy to binge drink - which means that those that have this disorder can go years without drinking, and in fact most suffers of this syndrome are not even aware of the problem.
homosexuality - on the other hand, has the added problem of the need to indulge
but asking somone who is homosexual to find the opposite sex attractive, is on par with asking you to find a 2 year old choild sexual attractive.
Bear in mind not all homosexuals are gay by genetics
choice and history also come into play
not to mention those without predisposition towards either sex or those that are attracted to both sexes
and then again you just get some people who just like to experiment.
in answer to first post, yes genetics does come into play in a small minority.
but there are also lots of other reasons why people or animals choose to act in certain ways.
Those who flee temptation generally leave a forwarding address
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To say that binge drinking once every decade is alcoholism is absurd, first off. Alcoholism, "genetic" or otherwise, is dependence on alcohol. To binge drink once per decade is far from being dependent. God forbid I get drunk at a New Year's party this year, I may be an alcoholic.
It seems no one reads my posts. It's not genetic. It's not choice either. It's brought on by psychosocial factors along with a very small part; VERY SMALL part; played by genetics which never alone leads to homosexuality in itself.
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See Dick Buy Beer, See Dick not Tip, See Dick try again, See Dick Go thirsty.Moral of the Story: Don't be a Dick.
Well i remember hearing about studys(In time magazine , I think??) Arrianna, where they say its a different chemical make-up in the brain that causes ppl to be born(pre-disposed) gay.
It makes sence to me. Why are some ppl shy, some are agressive, some are mean and evil, and some are so good. The brain determines how we feel, behave, interpret, and see the world. One will see the same world this way, and other will see it totally differently.
ppl born gay have that chemical make-up that pre-disposed them to be gay. They still have the choice to choose to be not gay though. That would be just denying who they are though.
I hear alot of gay ppl say, i didnt choose to be gay thats who i am.
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