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    it's a shame that the word liberal has become such a dirty word. the definition has seem to have lost all of it's meaning in the american language. this issue hasn't anything to do with being liberal. seems more of a social dilemma.

    i'd like to see this article too. judging from the commentary, this just seems to be another attack on the safety of being politically correct. you say it's just a christmas song, but i think we need to consider the situation on where this ban has taken place. although i do think banning may be a bit harsh, i haven't seen this alleged article to come to a clear conclusion. atheist or not, the religious beliefs of one should be left outside of school. unless of course it's a religous school.
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    To me it sounds like there are trying to ban Christainity altogether but gradually. It's like the kind of Nazi idea (sorru to bring it up). If you ban christanity then you are really banning Christmas. So America is trying to take a real big control over the people. The thing you will know is that they are trying to turn every one in Aetheists (really soory, not a very good speller!!!). So then you will have holidays to celebrate at all!!!!
    Wells thats me view, I am from the UK.

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    I have no idea what your talking about if you want to sing religious songs you can its protected under the 1st Amendment so I don’t see what tithe problem is as for teacher yeah they cant force there views on you so that shouldn’t be a problem other then that I think that it depends on the school you go to like here they run the sexual harassment thing like its the end of the world and its mostly because of the bible thumping parents when in fact they know this school is known for it homosexuality and seeing as the district policy is if the school fails to perform well on the TAAKS (Texas Asment of Academic Knowledge and Skills) bla they can have there students move to another school and that the case here so I don’t know why they don’t just move to a school with students with the same morals and values .



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    Quote Originally Posted by teh s uck
    Do you have a name of the school this took place in and the details of what brought this ban about, and of the ban itself? Or should I just write this off as a "T3H L1BRULS R 3\/1|" thread based on something that hasn't actually happened or misinformation?

    Seriously, if I misunderstood, then I need to see what you're talking about first.
    My brother saw it on the news and told me about it. I'll ask him where it was and for more details when i see him. Its probably on the news web site?

    I found these:

    http://atheism.about.com/b/a/045299.htm
    http://www.lc.org/misc/grinch.htm
    http://www.pngusa.net/~mjwrose/right.../christmas.htm
    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1038565/posts
    http://christdot.org/modules.php?nam...ticle&sid=1963

    Gosh these made me mad when i read them, I hate the aclu now!!!!!
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    i don't know what article brought up this debate...but here are some similar stories....

    THE GRINCH WHO STOLE 'MESSIAH' ....a response below...
    BANNING RELIGION FROM SCHOOLS (the response)

    School's band to tune out Santa
    Quote from this article:
    "Rather than try to respond to all the various religions and try to balance them, it's best to stay away from that and simply have a nonreligious tone to them and have more of a seasonal tone," Superintendent Peter P. Horoschak said.
    Wow, so its not being politically correct....it's being lazy!!! The superintendent admitted it....i take his comment as: rather than try and learn about all the various religions, lets just stay away from them.......wonderful. Schools are teaching children to be close-minded and keep a non-religious tone to everything....greeeaaat. [/sarcasm]

    I agree that no one should be forced into singing songs or doing anything that offends them....but i really don't see what could be "offending". I don't think these songs teach our children to join a cult, hurt others, etc. If you don't want your children to believe, tell them it's a fairytale a story that people made up, like the Greek Gods that they'll learn about in school anyway (if they don't ban those too)....yes just like the ones you tell your children every night. They don't grow up as adults looking for monsters under their bed or go look for neverland do they?
    I don't know.....try and show me your view point....i just can't see it right now. (honestly, there's no sarcasm here...i'm open to hearing your opinions)

    If it freaks you out when your child comes home to ask you who Jesus is, you need to open up a little. No one is out to brainwash you....only you can allow someone to do it TO you. If you don't believe....it is nothing more than a simple tune to you. There are many mainstream songs with religious undertones or sexual undertones....no one is out to censor/ban them (not in a big way anyway).

    Why sensor christmas carols? Heck, ban Santa, ban the candles, ban that star on the christmas tree, ban the "holiday season" ....right "holiday" remindes me of "holy" gotta ban that too!!! It's winter break where we celebrate family, spending lots of cash on presents and eating great. Wait...why did we start doing all this this again? Hm....what? religious roots? better not go there.

    When I was little I went to school in an area highly populated with Jewish people, I learnt their songs, their traditions, took Jewish holidays off, etc. all because, that was how the school operated, my parents being asian and not Jewish....were in no way offended....and I assure you a healthy percentage of the people in the school were NOT Jewish. (The university in that area also observes Jewish holidays) I still turned out to be a Catholic who learnt to be tolerant and open-minded. I am in no way "scarred for life" to follow Jewish teachings or anything of the sort.

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    *sorry haha was kinda insinuating that there are no Jewish people of asian upbringing there
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    Wow, well said. Im totally impressed.

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    I agree with angelan, couldnt have said it better myself.

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    Well said indeed Angelan.

    I just thought I would point out however that the belief that the Constitiution says there should be a "seperation of church and state", is actually a modern myth. The only time religion is mentioned in the Constitution is in:
    Article. VI.
    Clause 3: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
    The rule on religion actually comes from the Bill of Rights.
    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
    That's it. No seperation, no you can't have it. Only that people cannot be prevented from holding an office based on their religion (or lack of) and that Congress cannot make any laws establishing a Federal sponsered religion or prohibite anyone from practicing their religion. (Such as telling someone they can't *cough* sing christmas songs.)

    The reason it is important to point out the "laws establishing a Federal sponsered religion" is because at the time of both the Constitution and the Bill of Rights several states did have a State sponsered religion. They were perfectly legal and still are unless the State has laws against it.

    Bill of Rights
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    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrianna
    That's it. No seperation, no you can't have it. Only that people cannot be prevented from holding an office based on their religion (or lack of) and that Congress cannot make any laws establishing a Federal sponsered religion or prohibite anyone from practicing their religion. (Such as telling someone they can't *cough* sing christmas songs.)
    So by your logic, it is therefore acceptable for a superintendent of schools to tell someone that they should NOT sing Christmas carols, since only Congress is forbidden from passing laws regarding religion. There is nothing under the Constitution, according to your reading, that would prevent that. In fact, there is no place in the Constitution that would prevent the banning of religion.

    And just to make myself clear, I'm not naive or stupid; I live in the U.S., which is a Christian-based culture. My kid's going to ask why we do not have a tree like his friends, who Jesus is (and unfortunately, why some little snot says we killed him), what Ramadan is, etc. , and I will answer them with as much respect, yet truth, as possible. The point is that I will be making that decision, not the school, not the government, and not the tyranny of the majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teh s uck
    So by your logic, it is therefore acceptable for a superintendent of schools to tell someone that they should NOT sing Christmas carols, since only Congress is forbidden from passing laws regarding religion. There is nothing under the Constitution, according to your reading, that would prevent that. In fact, there is no place in the Constitution that would prevent the banning of religion.

    And just to make myself clear, I'm not naive or stupid; I live in the U.S., which is a Christian-based culture. My kid's going to ask why we do not have a tree like his friends, who Jesus is (and unfortunately, why some little snot says we killed him), what Ramadan is, etc. , and I will answer them with as much respect, yet truth, as possible. The point is that I will be making that decision, not the school, not the government, and not the tyranny of the majority.
    Thats fine, but you should infringe on our right to sing them in school. Thats plain censorship to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by angelan
    If it freaks you out when your child comes home to ask you who Jesus is, you need to open up a little. No one is out to brainwash you....only you can allow someone to do it TO you. If you don't believe....it is nothing more than a simple tune to you. There are many mainstream songs with religious undertones or sexual undertones....no one is out to censor/ban them (not in a big way anyway).
    I guess you didn't read angelan post.......See Above^
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