Thread: Eu?

well the same is happening with Central America they want to join together as a union to compete in the global market with USA!!!

As long as this union doesn't grow into a new soviet union deal, I could care less if all of those smaller european countries bound together. It would definately boost their economy if they are together, I can see why the governments would want to join together in that perspective.

Originally Posted by Dark.

As long as this union doesn't grow into a new soviet union deal, I could care less if all of those smaller european countries bound together. It would definately boost their economy if they are together, I can see why the governments would want to join together in that perspective.

I don't think we'll need to worry about becoming commies anytime soon Dark.

Originally Posted by Arrianna

I have been given the impression that the Constitution being voted on would be the first step toward just that. That it does dissolve some soverignty and that's why there are objections. Are the reports I'm reading overreacting? Or does it remove some powers from the countries involved and give them to the E Union officials and judges?

PS. Thanks for the link deaths_raver. I'll have a look at it when I have some time.
PPS. Sorry about that Zui Quan. lol

It is clear that when you work for years for a Constitution that will try to please everyone in a group of 25 countries, each with their history and personality, you will have to make sacrifices. It would be useless to write a Constitution for an Union if every single country part of that Union would retain the entirety of their powers and sovereignty, and it would be terrible if some would retain their powers while others would not (this is a problem when influencing countries such as France do not wish to lose any power in Union, saying that they have a chair in the UN Council and have always given more money than many other countries to the EU, while they have to make sacrifices in order to be part of an Union. If you watched French TV discussions on the subject, this was a big argument for the No.). So if no one wants to dissolve sovereignty, I don't understand why they would want a EU in the first place, say a Constitution...

The current major reason (given by many polls and statistics) for the No in both France and the Netherlands is made by people who want the Constitution to be "more social", a minor reason is that which you heard, that it would destroy some country's sovereignty (mostly the argument of nationalists), which I explained was inevitable if you wanted to be part of a group.

Originally Posted by Vaines

It is clear that when you work for years for a Constitution that will try to please everyone in a group of 25 countries, each with their history and personality, you will have to make sacrifices. It would be useless to write a Constitution for an Union if every single country part of that Union would retain the entirety of their powers and sovereignty, and it would be terrible if some would retain their powers while others would not. So if no one wants to dissolve sovereignty, I don't understand why they would want a EU in the first place, say a Constitution...

Maybe the first question should be then, What is the EU?
Is it just a trade federation?
Or is the creation of a Constitution the first step in creating a larger government over the participating countries?


I know I keep repeating myself but I'm very curious. I have a hard time understanding why anyone would want to give up their soverignty. One of the big reasons the USA was created was over the right to a jury of your peers. An international judicial system would seem to me to remove that at the whim of those who do not have the same background or culture.

Originally Posted by Arrianna

Maybe the first question should be then, What is the EU?
Is it just a trade federation?
Or is the creation of a Constitution the first step in creating a larger government over the participating countries?


I know I keep repeating myself but I'm very curious. I have a hard time understanding why anyone would want to give up their soverignty. One of the big reasons the USA was created was over the right to a jury of your peers. An international judicial system would seem to me to remove that at the whim of those who do not have the same background or culture.

It's even more curious because some of the participating nations are extremely chauvinistic...
The roots of the European Union were mostly dug firmly into the ground in response to repeated destruction (after two world wars we kinda had our fill with war) and the need to have economic power.

They have no power individually. They do have power together though....