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    Re: Euthanasia is it right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrianna
    It has been shown however that in societies where euthanasia is accepted senor citizens come to be thought of as a burden that need to pass on to relieve society of their cost and care.
    Wow that reminds me of that star trek: the next generation episode.


    Ok, i agree with you, but it seems like you being overly negative. It dont have to happen that way. I still say theres a good way to set up legalized ethenasia.

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    oh absolutely ~ the power of choice is a valued ally.. by definition, euthanasia is the following: the act or practice of killing or permitting the death of hopelessly sick or injured individuals (as persons or domestic animals) in a relatively painless way for reasons of mercy.. indeed, if one's affliction is proven terminal & all that remains is suffering, pain & torment ~ then i agree that euthanasia should be permitted...one's choice in how to live or die is theirs by right & no outside influence need dictate one's final say ~ especially from doctors, or pro-life preachers.. also, if one's affliction is proven terminal but cannot make the choice (& still suffers nontheless), then the final say is best left for one's immediate family to decide..

    note* ~ btw, lady barronmore ~ i have experience in this matter as well (family related), so you'll have to do better in order to pursuade your objections..

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    Re: Euthanasia is it right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ~diva..
    note* ~ btw, lady barronmore ~ i have experience in this matter as well (family related), so you'll have to do better in order to pursuade your objections..[/i]
    Very well.

    From the UN:
    CONSIDERATION OF REPORTS SUBMITTED BY STATES PARTIES
    UNDER ARTICLE 40 OF THE COVENANT

    The Committee learnt with unease that under the present legal system more than 2,000 cases of euthanasia and assisted suicide (or a combination of both) were reported to the review committee in the year 2000 and that the review committee came to a negative assessment only in three cases. The large numbers involved raise doubts whether the present system is only being used in extreme cases in which all the substantive conditions are scrupulously maintained.

    (c) The Committee is seriously concerned that the new law is also applicable to minors who have reached the age of 12 years... The Committee considers it difficult to reconcile a reasoned decision to terminate life with the evolving and maturing capacities of minors. In view of the irreversibility of euthanasia and assisted suicide, the Committee wishes to underline its conviction that minors are in particular need of protection.
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    6. The Committee is gravely concerned at reports that new-born handicapped infants have had their lives ended by medical personnel..

    The State party should scrupulously investigate any such allegations of violations of the right to life
    This is happening currently.

    Some articles on the subject:

    The Dutch Way of Death
    Socialized medicine helped turn doctors into killers.

    Of the 130,000 Dutchmen who died in 1990, some 11,800 were killed or helped to die by their doctors, according to a 1991 report by the attorney general of the High Council of the Netherlands. (The 1991 report is the only complete report on euthanasia practices by the Dutch government.)
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    An estimated 5,981 people--an average of 16 per day--were killed by their doctors without their consent, according to the Dutch government report.
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    Some 8% of all infants who die in the Netherlands are killed by their doctors, according to a 1997 study published in the Lancet, a British medical journal. Consider the case of Dr. Henk Prins, who killed--with her parents' consent--a three-day old girl with spina bifida and an open wound at the base of her spine. Dr. Prins never made any attempt to treat the wound, according to Wesley J. Smith, author of the book "Culture of Death." The treatment was death.
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    Many old people now fear Dutch hospitals. More than 10% of senior citizens who responded to a recent survey, which did not mention euthanasia, volunteered that they feared being killed by their doctors without their consent. One senior-citizen group printed up wallet cards that tell doctors that the cardholder opposes euthanasia.
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    The path to the death culture began when doctors learned to think like accountants. As the cost of socialized medicine in the Netherlands grew, doctors were lectured about the importance of keeping expenses down. In many hospitals, signs were posted indicating how much old-age treatments cost taxpayers.
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    "Old people have to excuse themselves for living. When they say that all of their friends are dead, people say, 'Maybe it is time for you to go too,' rather than, 'You need to find new friends.' "

    Euthanasia . . . or a 'Dutch treat'

    The death of reason
    Even voluntary euthanasia is deceptive. Dutch courts have held that physically healthy patients suffering from depression may request lethal injections. The dead cannot change their minds. However many legal safeguards there are, some families will pressurise sick or elderly relations, who already fear becoming a burden. Voluntary euthanasia is largely a myth.
    Dutch GP found guilty of murder faces no penalty
    A Dutch GP, found guilty of murdering a dying 84 year old patient, has not been penalised for his action. The Amsterdam court that tried him said that Dr Wilfred van Oijen had made an "error of judgment" but had acted "honourably and according to his conscience," showing compassion, in what he considered the interests of his patient.
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    She had made no request for euthanasia and had said that she did not want to die.

    Going Dutch
    We ignore the Netherlands at our own peril.


    Euthanasia consultants or facilitators?
    Few euthanasia consultants in the Netherlands act as independent evaluators of the patient's situation

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    Re: Euthanasia is it right?

    Yes youll always find these worst cast senerios, but wouldnt you like the option not to suffer?


    Are you against the idea of euthanasia Arrianna?

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    Re: Euthanasia is it right?

    Quote Originally Posted by kastelic4444


    Are you against the idea of euthanasia Arrianna?
    What kind of redundant question is that?

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    Re: Euthanasia is it right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hassun
    What kind of redundant question is that?
    I was just wondering, if euthanasia could be done without all this bad stuff, would she still be against euthanasia? In other words is she against the mere act of euthanasia? Maybe she feels murder is murder?
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    Doctor Kevorkian anyone?

    If they're not in pain I don't believe they should die right away. Just like animals, the only reason a vet should "put them down" is because they're in a lot of irreversible pain. If a dog has tumors that make it in pain, remove them and then let the dog die in peace, naturally.

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    Re: Euthanasia is it right?

    Quote Originally Posted by kastelic4444
    I was just wondering, if euthanasia could be done without all this bad stuff, would she still be against euthanasia?
    I see no reason to consider it since euthanasia "without all this bad stuff" is a fantasy along with Utopia and "True Communism". Until we find a world where everyone is perfect it just won't happen.

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