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Old Jan 30, 2005, 10:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Human Nature

Sometimes, when you hear about the horrors of war, somebody will say "Well, that's just human nature for you." But likewise, if you were to hear about some act of kindness like somebody risking their life to save another, again "That's human nature."

If we all have a common sense of good and humanity, then why is history so dark? If we are all united under darkness, then why do we strive for a brighter future? What does it mean to be humane and inhumane?

So in essance, just what are we? Good or Evil?


I have my opinions, but i'll voice them later. I'd like to hear some of your views first.
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Old Jan 30, 2005, 10:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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We are man. Man itself makes mistakes. Though man itself can not determine what those mistakes are. So in return...We keep making mistakes. And try to correctthose mistakes.


I understod that. Hope so one else did. Lol.
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Old Jan 30, 2005, 11:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Yeah, i think that humans are both good and bad. A human can kill, and a human can nurture a living animal and their children. I think what makes a person human is the fact that they can do both of these... love and hate. But sometimes the hatred part is just a little bigger.
So i don't think humans are dark nor light.. more in the gray area. not evil or good... more like "go-vil".."good-evil".. or "evod".

So no metter how many mistakes humanity makes.. they usully find a way to do something right.
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Old Jan 30, 2005, 11:56 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I think that man is basically evil. most of the good that people do are wrogt out of "best intentions for themselves." weather they want people to be kind to them, or they are just using other people.

I, being a christian, would even have to say this for christians. we do good and expect a "reward" in heaven. everyone does something "good" for the benifit of themselves.

(I would not have made such a blatent statement above if i weren't a christian. being part of that structure, i think i have the right to say what i want about it.)
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Old Jan 30, 2005, 12:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I believe there are two parts to most people. The "natural man" which is selfish and carnal and thinks only of itself and the spiritual part which is concerned with others, thinks past the moment, and allows us to transcend ourselves if we listen to it. Which part we follow is up to us. Which is why even in the worst circumstances there are those who shine.

I say most because I believe it is possible to "give" yourself over to one side or the other. There are people who are truly evil and there are those who are completly good. Both are rare, but I think were seeing a dicotamy more and more in the world these days.
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Old Jan 30, 2005, 01:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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This all really depends on wether you consider "greed" a good or bad thing.

Even religion agrees that people are evil. "all humans are born into sin? It is natrual for humans to sin?"

Imperfection is the cause of evil. Choice is the cause of evil. Freewill is the cause of evil.


Then again, just what IS evil? If I were in Iraq right now, I'd have to say the U.S. is pretty evil trying to half own my country. Yet likewise, the average american hates Iraq and those damn terrorists, and so we think they are bad.

JUST WHAT IS EVIL!? What's good? Is there really any good? cuz no matter how much "good" you do, someone will always think of you negatively.

I guess "good" and "evil" are just the balance of life. Both make each other, one can never rid of the other.

There's too many factors to really tell, because no matter what conclusion, there's ALWAYS exceptions, and always another opinion, and I think I'm just gonna stop right now before I think about this too much.
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There is no such thing as an absolute good nor is there an absolute evil, but there is a will to achieve more power and rule, i think wars will always happen between nations until there is finally only one nation.

Humans always want more thats what makes use improve ourselves in education and even relationships.Jan
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Old Jan 30, 2005, 01:55 PM   #8 (permalink)
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want, why, and will. that's the only thing that makes us. want makes greed, power, and inequality. why makes curiousity, wisdom, and knowledge. will makes hardheadedness, courage, and destiny.

Unfortunatly, free will is what makes the two roads of "good" and "bad" and combined with why and want can make terrible things occur. like war, class, and all that jazz.

It's those 3 w's that make people question good and bad, and make balance visible.
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Well, it's because all human are motivated by two things, survival instincts, and love.

You see we are all motivated by the usual, must eat, must drink, and must avoid physical injury stuff like everyone knows.

But then if you think of it love is a major part of everything that makes us dark as well as good. The good things that come from love we all know of so I'm only going to give a few examples of the hatred that love causes in us.

If someone has something you love, well you become jealous, and through jealousy you can hate what ever it is that has what you want. Fear causes us to take extreme measures to do something, and well fear for one's life is only a love for one's life. Fear of losing something is only a love for that thing that you do not wish to lose.

Faith in something is also a form of loving something. And well blind faith in something can lead to us doing something that is wrong, but because of what ever it is that we have been taught, or that we have miss interpretted, we believe it is right.
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In my opinion our nature is both evil and good. That is to mean that we are born into this world with the capabilites of being both good and evil. Perhaps a good example to use is the yin-yang, black with a circle of white and vice versa.

Every "bad" person will have a drop of good in them, and even the holiest man will make their mistakes. Whether we make good or bad decisions later on in our life is due to nurture and that is another topic.
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Old Jan 30, 2005, 04:24 PM   #11 (permalink)
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want, why, and will. that's the only thing that makes us. want makes greed, power, and inequality. why makes curiousity, wisdom, and knowledge. will makes hardheadedness, courage, and destiny.

It's those 3 w's that make people question good and bad, and make balance visible.
I couldn't have said it better myself, greed drives the ugly, love drives the good. Some may think it's human nature is to be greedy and selfish, but that's not what we were meant to be. I feel that we were meant to live together in harmony, even though it sounds impossible in this day and age. War is greed, therefore in the past, we have evolved, so it seems as if war and hurt is human nature. There is a balance, just like you've said, that holds everything together. I guess it's quite hard to explain human nature O_o
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