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    Re: Jark - Co-Founder of DeviantART "Fired" ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cybergig1
    its what happens when you run a business and not a website :\

    wait technically we hit 5 years awhile back is someone going to try to kick me out on my @$$ lol

    Yea, I'll have to agree with that. It's a conspiracy I tell you. When you have so many members in a community like DA it's not going to go off easily. Hell, I'm one of them.


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    Re: Jark - Co-Founder of DeviantART "Fired" ...

    I just came back from holidays and this thread was the one that informed me of what was going on...From what I gathered, this is once again the problem of someone's wish for power...and not something that just happened, but that took years to slowly grow...kind of disgusting.

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    Re: Jark - Co-Founder of DeviantART "Fired" ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaines
    I just came back from holidays and this thread was the one that informed me of what was going on...From what I gathered, this is once again the problem of someone's wish for power...and not something that just happened, but that took years to slowly grow...kind of disgusting.
    The real disgusting part is that the current staff is keeping the Community in the dark as to what happened, They have violated their own policy of free speech.

    As for refunding your subscription, You can only refund the sub if it is within 48 hours of purchase.

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    Re: Jark - Co-Founder of DeviantART "Fired" ...

    Quote Originally Posted by aceman67
    As for refunding your subscription, You can only refund the sub if it is within 48 hours of purchase.
    So that's a NO for almost everyone...

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    Re: Jark - Co-Founder of DeviantART "Fired" ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hassun
    So that's a NO for almost everyone...
    Unfortunitly, yes. I've had my sub since christmas, so I'm out.

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    Re: Jark - Co-Founder of DeviantART "Fired" ...

    I get my year sub every january...

    You know, I just can't get to feel that DA is a "company"...

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    Re: Jark - Co-Founder of DeviantART "Fired" ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaines
    I get my year sub every january...

    You know, I just can't get to feel that DA is a "company"...
    Well it is, It was incorporated in 2002. They are now DeviantART Inc.

    $spyed's Response

    The community is angry

    Let's get right to the point. We know the community is angry, and we completely understand why. You're angry because you've been told that the one man responsible for deviantART.com and its success over the past 5 years has been removed against his will. We need to clear up some facts: This is not what has happened: no one person is responsible for deviantART.

    A Brief History of deviantART, backstage

    °jark and I have worked together on deviantART from day 1. A little bit after the first year, we were joined by $mccann who created the Sonique MP3 player back in 1998. He began providing us with technical and financial assistance to keep it going.

    Before this, deviantART was quite small and the costs of operation were nominal. With it's rapid growth thereafter, it began costing an arm and a leg to operate.

    I was the first person to work on deviantART full time in 2002, and am also the only co-founder who took the risk of working with no salary at all. That is how much I believe in this community. I have dedicated my life to it. The other two co-founders have never worked fulltime on deviantART. They have always had either college, or a full-time job to contend with. Without question, especially in the early to mid parts of deviantART's life, Scott (°jark) sacraficed all of his available free time. And this was a significant sacrifice.

    The second fulltime employee of deviantART was $chris at around the same time I joined in 2002. He was our CTO; today he manages our architecture.

    I personally hand built and "installed" deviantART's first 35 servers. Chris rebuilt and maintained all of deviantART's code-base, servers and architecture beginning in 2002. We're talking math, computer science, architecture. That kind of stuff.

    Around 2003, we were joined by $spot who worked full time for deviantART for a full year without pay. He slept on the floor of a closet next to a bathroom in his cousin's apartment. That's what you call dedication to a community my friends. And where's his praise? It doesn't matter: he doesn't ask for it.

    I represent the people who keep this place ticking: the people who are so busy that they don't have time to enjoy interacting with the community; the people who do nothing but work on deviantART, but take quiet pride in knowing that they help keep it running.

    We're not trying to belittle jark's work on the site over the past 5 years: he has given more than most to something he believes in and loves, most commendably. What we are trying to do is defend the same love that we have all put into the site. What about what $chris has given? What about $realitysquared? As it happens, °jark, myself, and many others have been in the community spotlight, but is the love, sweat, and tears that anybody else has given the site worth any less? What about the deviant with under a hundred pageviews that selflessly gives out encouragement and pushes for new features? Everyone deserves the utmost respect for what they give to this site, and no one person can be attributed with the credit.


    So who is responsible for deviantART?

    Every one of us, senior members, volunteer staff, regular deviants: we have built this and we take care of it and pour love into it every day. Most obviously, the site would be nothing without the art that we all upload, but it goes much deeper than that. The userpages, for example, that we know and love are shaped completely on deviants' ideas and requests. deviantIDs started as a type of commdev project! Favourites came right out of the suggestions forum! We all built it. You built it.


    deviantART and money

    In the early days, deviantART.com was running just fine without any revenue, because $mccann was sending $gazillion checks out of his pocket every month to pay for the server costs. As costs got steeper, along came the subscription and print programs, which were embraced with open arms by the community. Somewhere since then the community and the company lost touch, and even additions to the subscription package are met with resentment... it is a shame that this has happened, but hopefully we can make amends. With $gazillion being spent to keep deviantART.com from getting unplugged every month, hopefully you can see why the site has grown to need prints and subscriptions to hold it up. We're not out to swindle anybody: in fact the deviantART staff works its collective butt off every month to keep this place from having to sell a huge chunk of it to a Venture Capitalist just to keep it alive, and so far we've beaten all the odds. That's community love.

    There seems to be a lot of confusion surrounding whether DA has "gone corporate": please send me any questions at all you have about this aspect of deviantART, and I will be glad to answer them: we don't keep secrets.


    The Future of deviantART

    Let me first assure you that deviantART's future is in the hands of the same fine crew it has been for years. Our IT team, some of the same people that have been involved in deviantART's code since version 3, are currently building an enhanced message center, collections system (remember devPacks?), and a fully-featured search engine for the community.

    $lolly is the new head of community development, but that doesn't mean he's replacing °jark. °jark helped to build the code for deviantART.com v1 and has been very active in the community for years since. You don't 'replace' that. $lolly has been giving his all to deviantART for a long time, and will continue to do the best that he can in his new role.

    Please use this journal, or send a note, if you prefer, to send me any questions you have, and I'll answer them as best I can. I am deeply sorry for the delay in this dialogue: it's certainly been a hectic few days! I'll edit this journal to answer any frequently asked questions where the the answers can easily be found. I'll start with the main question so far:

    Your Questions so far

    Why is jark no longer on staff?
    Because of legal issues, we're not able to say why this has happened just yet. What we can tell you is what it is not because of: it did not happen because of any corporate plot or conspiracy. The core team of deviantART has worked every day for the last 5 years to ensure this place runs smoothly without having to sell out to any other company or swindle the community, and none of us has any intention of letting that change. We're not going to put somebody else's logo all over our site. You wouldn't want that; we don't want it, and we won't let it happen. °jark no longer being on staff is due to a completely separate matter, which, as I'm sorry to say, we're not able to go into the details about.


    Why were comments deleted?
    A comment thread was in fact deleted by a staff member. It should not have been, we wish we could undelete it but we can not. This person was acting independently and not per the instruction of anybody else. Also the thread deleted was originally posted by the person who deleted it. Because of this, the ability for staff members to delete posts has been revoked. The "delete" comment feature was previously available only for the purpose of removing threads that violated some type of law or contained spammed code that crashed viewer’s browsers. In this instance it was misused. Unfortunately the FAQ has not been updated to reflect this capability.

    As for journals; Staff does not have a ‘delete journal tool’. We must assume that these reports were user side errors. Or were edited by the journal author by accident or intentionally.

    Sadly due to this one error in judgment people are now making claims that we are deleting journals in their entirety, deleting comments, and removing deviations. This is not the case whatsoever and spreading these rumors is disrespectful to what is otherwise a long standing integrity.

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    Re: Jark - Co-Founder of DeviantART "Fired" ...

    °jark's response

    Let me clarify a few points.

    Everyone that has worked, or continues to, on this site, either as a volunteer or paid employee, has put their life in to the site. There is absolutely no desire to downplay anyone’s involvement. I doubt anyone would dispute how much blood, sweat and tears that all have put in to the site and company.

    That is not the issue. Do not let yourself be fooled by rhetoric.

    It is imperative that I point out there are two true founders of deviantART. It was matteo and myself who truly founded deviantART. We were with the community on the front lines, and working feverishly behind the scenes. Anything that you hear to the contrary should be summarily dismissed as deceit.

    But I digress.

    Nothing prevents The Company from explaining away their actions. Let me say that again; there is nothing that prevents $spyed from clearing up the involuntary termination of jark from deviantART, Inc.

    I have the documentation in hand; it has been analyzed by counsel; there is nothing forbidding the administration from speaking. They opt not to explain their actions out of fear of reprisal from the community, among others.

    In the midst of all that is happening I am documenting the true history of deviantART. The full truth, and nothing but the truth, will be known, regardless of how damning it is to any party involved, including myself …

    In the meantime continue to pressure The Company for answers as opposed to merely giving in to the magical manipulation of charismatic language. You do deserve that much!

    Remain civil in all your querying. As I said previously, rioting and violence solves nothing, especially the real-life physical type!

    If I have yet to respond to your note then I sincerely apologize. I have been busy responding to comments along with spending time with my family and handling my career. I will get to your note in due time, I promise!
    I apologise for not following the proper posting proceedures, but my last post was too long (373 characters to be exact), other wise, it would have been in the same post.

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