Apr 10, 2005 01:41 PM #25
yeah, because it was considered assault, they are saying that since he was out of the house he shouldn't have shot the robber
'Cause you give me something / That makes me scared, alright / This could be nothing / But I'm willing to give it a try / Please give me something
'Cause someday I might call you from my heart
Apr 10, 2005 03:58 PM #26
Martial arts are both harmful and helpful to us.
Helpful: They are used as self-defense, They help us kick some bulies' ass, They are used in some movies to give well, I dont know..
Harmful: They are used to treat people.. example They want to get what they want, Bullies' ass ahould be kicked but rather its our ass thats being kicked and nothing alse. Awsome.
Apr 10, 2005 10:16 PM #27
Quite agree with you Nameless.
Originally Posted by Nameless
Apr 11, 2005 07:31 AM #28
Martial arts are good but the problem is that they're only good for everyone if EVERYBODY knows them so you can all stand on equal ground, anyone with an unfair advantage is going to use it as their disposal whether they're the agressor or defender. If people were all on equal grounds then things would be different but the case is that someone is either strong and/or knows how to fight while the other doesn't qualify for either. Thus you have an imbalance which creates unnecessary violence and agression.
So basically, either everyone should know martial arts to be on even ground or nobody should know it and hope to fend for themselves in an uneven battle for martial arts to NOT be harmful. Because no matter how you look at it, a fight hurts both parties.
Apr 11, 2005 08:18 AM #29
I'm all ears.
I don't really agree, martial arts are unfit for combat in this day and age.
Knowing martial arts does not put you on a higher pedestal anymore.
A defender/agressor who knows martial arts won't usually defeat a defender/agressor with a gun, taser, pepperspray, etc.
Apr 11, 2005 08:37 AM #30
Originally Posted by Hassun
In the case of spray and tassers they aren't exact or extremely dealy unless the person is within a few feet of you. If you know what you're doing with someone ready to spray you with mace or shock you there are ways to defend youself without getting shocked or the full effect of spray.
That's situational though. In the case of a gun, well, unless you're being held point blank you don't stand much of a chance.
But we're not talking about weapons--not every attacker has them. Self-defence is something that is worth knowing and practicing. Otherwise someone with a box cutter can be a serious threat to you.
Apr 11, 2005 08:48 AM #31
I'm all ears.
Yeah, I forgot to add knives. Alot of martial arts have knife defence techniques but any real teacher can tell you that you WILL get cut 95% of the time.
And don't think it's that easy to avoid pepperspray.
Apr 11, 2005 09:18 AM #32
I'm borderline off-topic but any real teacher telling you you're going to get cut is most likely correct, any real teacher of knife defence will have you trained to minimize not only being cut but disarming the person. Then again, it's situational. If the person is trained with knifes, perhaps, Philipino Knife-Fighting, then it's a dam good chance if you get involved in physical combat then that is what is going to happen, you'll get cut. The idea that the majority of the public even uses a knife in a prudent way when attacking is another is just as even less likely as getting someone with a knife. Then again, I suppose that depends on where you live.
Originally Posted by Hassun
A good teacher will have tools for your to use against any situation that has been though about and then train you until it becomes comfortable.
In the case of spray, people have a panic method to using spray, often covering their own face (even trained police). The spray can be imitated by a garden hose with a v setting.. Unless you're prone to approching an attacker striaght on or letting them attack you straight on, it is a good chance you won't be exposed to the full force of the spray (I say good because it is situational), if they're trying to get a moving target at a close range they're just as likely to be exposed to it themselves. Any good student will search for methods for every situation and be open to ideas, no matter how low the chances for acutal success may be.
Anyhow..I guess the only thing worth saying is that Martial Artists doesn't just mean combat. It is a great exercise of expression of body, mind and desire to obtain understanding in a very ancient and primal part being human.
I feel there is a line between Self-defence methods and actual Martial Artists. Artists don't exist in most forms trained in NA...Though, figters do..