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Old Sep 21, 2005, 08:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Quote of the Day

With the political discussions and less than rampant philosophizing going on, I thought this would be a fine topic:

"All great art is made from suffering." -Dimmu Borgir

Agree? Disagree? Discuss.
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Old Sep 21, 2005, 08:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Quote of the Day

I do not agree, there are people who can create beautiful art from a strong positive emotion.
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Old Sep 21, 2005, 08:26 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Quote of the Day

Good point Hassun, although I've made most of my art with a negative frame of mind....and i think it shows. Who knows, maybe one day I'll start making lighter walls. Not bloody likely.
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Old Sep 21, 2005, 08:52 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Quote of the Day

Well I don't agree but I don't disagree.

It is true what Hassun has said about works of art being made for positive emotions. But in the society that we live in today, the majority wants the blood and violence. Society would rather see a person die than see to people fall in love. Negativity brings about a different set of emotions that people usually bury deep within themselves. And for an art piece to touch that deep part of a human being, it will get much more attention than the positive works of art. To sum it up, we may not live in a time where all materpieces are negative but we are heading in that direction.
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Old Sep 21, 2005, 09:28 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Quote of the Day

Not ALL art is made because of suffering, me for example... I create art because I want that satisfying feeling of accomplishment once i'm done with a piece. I hardly EVER do any art in any form when im sad or angry. But I'm sure there are plenty of people that do. And also, one thing could be "great" to one person, but a piece of crap to another, it all depends on your tastes. I'd hope to be a great artist one day, but not famous no no, i'll be in my little house where noone can find me, i'd carry on my life, doing my same old stuffs XD
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Old Sep 21, 2005, 09:59 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Quote of the Day

Art is usually a reflection of the emotions and experiences of the artist at the peticular time in which the piece is made. With that being said; the quote holds true and yet does not. It is my belief that it varies, depending on the artist and situation (or conditions if you'd rather) under which the piece is made.
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Old Sep 21, 2005, 01:22 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Quote of the Day

I think I had to base an essay on this quote a couple of years back. Make shivers go down my spine when I read it too.

I wouldn't say suffering...I feel more that art, in any form, is created for many reasons. The person may feel strongly about something, which I wouldn't call suffering, but the strong point of view could have been spurred on by suffering, but at the same time, could be spurred by another as equally strong feeling. Art is something unique that comes from inside a person. Art could be the person's medium of bringing their unspeakable feelings to tangibility. (Is that a word? .^_^.) Anyway, it could range from confusion over what they are feeling inside to a way to filter suffering, as you say, out of them.

Suffering is not the only catalyst for -great- art. Many other intangible things can bring forth an equally great piece of art.
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Old Sep 21, 2005, 03:53 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Quote of the Day

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slothrop
"All great art is made from suffering." -Dimmu Borgir
False.

All great art is made through expressing the artists inner self, whatever that happens to be.

Quotes like this just show the author to be an elitist and self limiting. By making an absolute out of his statement he has eliminated the chance of many great and wonderful things from affecting his life.

Great art is like great music. It can take you to the depths of despair or the heighths of exaltation. It can inspire or depress. It can move you to tears or laughter. Most of all, it can touch our souls, our most precious memories, our inner most thoughts and feelings.
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Old Sep 21, 2005, 04:08 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Quote of the Day

True. True happiness comes from overcoming some sort of suffering. Thus, art inspired by happiness essentially comes from suffering.
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Old Sep 21, 2005, 04:12 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Quote of the Day

lol art can come from many ways such as pain, happiness, sadness, darkness and all sort of feelings that are out there.
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Old Sep 21, 2005, 04:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Quote of the Day

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True. True happiness comes from overcoming some sort of suffering. Thus, art inspired by happiness essentially comes from suffering.
It could also be said that suffering is caused by doing things that deny you happiness.

By your logic I could claim that all art comes from happiness because those who are suffering are striving after happiness and those who are not suffering have already achieved it.

Sorry, no go.
The answer is still False.
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