Is rap music degrating to women? - Page 13

*Arrianna* · Jun 30, 2005, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BFmastermind

What I'm trying to say is that why should I care what he calls other people if it doesn't affect me in general. He isn't directly saying my name. I'm just listening to a good song with a nice rythm to it that happens to be directed at other rappers.

So you like listening to others being insulted? If it's not directed specifically at you it doesn't count? How does that make it a "good" song?

Your earlier post:

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Originally Posted by BFmastermind

This might be considered a type of an excuse, but let me add this. Would you let meaningless degrading words affect you?

You're right, it's an excuse. You're also still missing the point. They are not meaningless.

Words have MEANINGS. They have DEFINITIONS. If you don't believe it then go back and read the definitions I gave you and take me up on my challange. Tell me how your mother reacted. Then tell me it doesn't mean anything.

(As for my reference, I looked up the "respectful" rappers that were recommended and read through the lyrics of two albums each. Try google.)

*BFmastermind* · Jun 30, 2005, 08:54 PM

I just wanted to add this and ask you a quick question Meiwaku. You had said earlier

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Originally Posted by Meiwaku

What I do see as degrading is half naked girls in rap video's gyrating their hips into guys crotches and wiggling their naked butts at the camera while the rappers call them hoes and sluts. That is degrading and the women are just as bad as the rappers, or more so the person who made the video.

Wouldn't this also be considered grounds for pornographic film? So would pornographic film also be considered degrading or merely an expression of love in film?

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Originally Posted by Arianna

So you like listening to others being insulted? If it's not directed specifically at you it doesn't count? How does that make it a "good" song?

I didn't exactly mean good lyrically.

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Your earlier post:

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Originally Posted by BFmastermind

This might be considered a type of an excuse, but let me add this. Would you let meaningless degrading words affect you?

You're right, it's an excuse. You're also still missing the point. They are not meaningless.

Words have MEANINGS. They have DEFINITIONS. If you don't believe it then go back and read the definitions I gave you and take me up on my challange. Tell me how your mother reacted. Then tell me it doesn't mean anything.

(As for my reference, I looked up the "respectful" rappers that were recommended and read through the lyrics of two albums each. Try google.)

I understand words have meanings so maybe I used the wrong word. What I was trying to say is that they only have a type of expression to them if a person thinks they do. If they don't then it doesn't affect them.

Meiwaku · Jun 30, 2005, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BFmastermind

I just wanted to add this and ask you a quick question Meiwaku. You had said earlier

Wouldn't this also be considered grounds for pornographic film? So would pornographic film also be considered degrading or merely an expression of love in film?

Pornographic films I see are on a different level. For one thing, people come to expect that pornos are like that, and it's not on mainstream television so pretty much people who choose to watch pornos can and people who don't want to don't have to.

Rap is mainstream and everywhere and anyone under 18 can access it with out it being law breaking. You listen to the radio and every second song is rap, you go to the movies and just about all the songs on the speakers track is rap, same with being at the mall and watching MTV or much music (Canadian version of MTV) they play rap music all over it, you really can't escape it and therefore what you see and hear offends.

Pornos are degrading but nobody is going around saying they aren't. I don't feel the need to be upset by pornography though, because it's not shoved in my face every 2 minutes and doesn't really influence people on an epic scale.

*BFmastermind* · Jun 30, 2005, 09:09 PM

I see your point Meiwaku, I had forgotten about that point of view. Mainstream Sexual conduct vs. Non-mainstream sexual conduct.

Here is the Legal Dictionary definition of Pornography.
por·nog·ra·phy
n.

Material that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
- Pornographic material is protected expression unless it is determined to be obscene. However, child pornography is illegal under federal and state laws prohibiting the depiction of minors in sexual acts.

So it is protected expression unless they go beyond a certain limit.

*N.Y._Soulja* · Jun 30, 2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BFmastermind

This might be considered a type of an excuse, but let me add this. Would you let meaningless degrading words affect you? Do you really have to care what they say? Or would you just let them do what they do and you do what you do and leave it at that?

remember these words......

Sticks and stones may break bones and the shells may hurt me
But I take it like a man, you beg for mercy

BUT
words will never harm me!!!!

Meiwaku · Jun 30, 2005, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by N.Y._Soulja

remember these words......

Sticks and stones may break bones and the shells may hurt me
But I take it like a man, you beg for mercy

BUT
words will never harm me!!!!

I beg to differ

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While physical abuse might seem worse, the scars of verbal and emotional abuse are deep. Studies show that verbal or nonverbal abuse can be much more emotionally damaging than physical abuse.

http://www.helpguide.org/mental/dome...es_effects.htm

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Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me. How many women think of that schoolyard rhyme while reeling from a partner's put-downs or angry outbursts? The rhyme's a lie, says Patricia Evans, author of The Verbally Abusive Relationship—the book that helped change Brandy's life. Cruel words can do worse than break bones: They can break your spirit, cripple your confidence, even make you physically ill.

http://www.oprah.com/omagazine/20020...07_abuse.jhtml

*BFmastermind* · Jul 01, 2005, 05:19 AM

Emotional and psychological damage last longer and have an overall worse effect than physical damage. So I'll have to agree with Meiwaku on that.

*N.Y._Soulja* · Jul 01, 2005, 07:06 AM

YEa I was wrong, srry about that

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