Meiwaku

Yeah I might have worded it wrong because you didn't understand what I meant.
It's more a way of thinking rather than a way of acting. As you mature you act less recklessly and irrational yes, and that does come with maturity. But ways of thinking are different. Even when people try to change ways of thinking the old ways still come in strong to combat the new ways. Like the way women are treated for instance, they've been fighting for equality for years and it's alot different than it was back in the 50's but in some ways it's no better and men still think the same way they did 50 years ago. It's hard to beak a way of thinking that has been hardwired into you.

Classical conditioning is more a subconscious reaction to something. You see a girl walking around wearing skimpy clothing just about everyone is going to automatically think "Slut" no matter how old or mature you are. It might take a while to get your head around the fact that dressing half naked doesn't make you a slut. And even if you pretend you don't think that, you still do.

Another example is the media and commercials, you see a kit kat bar and if asked you can probably most definitely recite the kit kat slogan song. Same with Coke "Always coca-cola" we've been programmed to react to those products through manipulation and repeated exposure. You just don't mature through stuff like that.

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BFmastermind

So what you are referring to are the norms and mores of society right? How things are viewed through the majority of society that influences you to view the same. If you mean that then I understand what you mean. Change in norms and mores occurs a lot slower and can take from a few to several years. Like when you mentioned slogans. I'll bring up the McDonalds slogan for instance. The old motto was "We love to see you smile" and now the new motto is "I'm lovin' it". So just because we can be conditioned to a certain way doesn't mean that way can't change because, as you can see, we can be re-conditioned to something else.

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ryke12

Actually, I'm willing to bet a rather large number of people still remember "We love to see you smile". I, for one, didn't forget that. And, since you pointed it out, I'm assuming you remember it, too (you could've looked it up, but that's a very tiny chance).

My point is that you COULD (theoretically) be re-conditioned, but more often than not you'll just adopt new conditioning IN ADDITION TO your original ideas. Thus, when we think of McDonalds, most of us think along these lines: "Oh, that 'I'm lovin it' place." Give them a little time (a couple minutes) and they'll probably think "Oh, yeah. I remember. They're also that 'We Love to see you Smile' place."

And the oldest conditioning tends to take priority. No matter what, unless you are SPECTACULARLY unique, and had the WORST upbringing ever, you'll still think of your parents (occasionally), no matter what. Doesn't matter what you've been doing, watching, whatever. It'll just hit you randomly "Hmm... I wonder how my parents are doing?".

The more time you've had to absorb something, the more fully absorbed it becomes.

And like I've said before, Rap is dying. So is Hip-Hop, because I think there is no real difference in them. Dirty South (bless 'is soul [J/K, but I do listen to it]) is killing rap. Along with the other forms, like Midwest, etc. There's simply too many people releasing too many songs, not taking time on the songs (granted, that's one of the more "unique" aspects of rap: freestyling), and there's the simple fact that the ENTIRE industry (save a few select people) are engaged in a giant PISSING contest.

It's all about "who can get the most bling" or "who can release the most hits", which is unfortunately defined as "releasing songs quickly, without time to think about it". And then there's the music videos: "Who can get the most popular hoes, and who can get the most "iced-out" in their videos".

Rap is fine and all, but it's killing itself with it's popularity. You start to hear more and more outrageous things each day: "Fifty cent got shot in the cheek and drove himself to the hospital", or "Ja Rule got shot in the cheek and drove himself to the hospital". When you have ARTISTS bragging about how many times they got shot halfway to hell, or how many kilos of weed they were caught with, then the industry is dying.

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Meiwaku

Yeah, but in order to be reconditioned to think something else something else will have to heavily influence them that what is said in rap songs and what is shown on rap video's is not the norm and it's not real.

I'm not saying that it's rap's fault that people have such narrow minded views on women and think it's cool to run around in gangs shooting people. Because it's not, but it is the fault of people who listen to it and take it to heart thinking this lifestyle is real or exciting. You can see how many teenagers it's influenced just by the number of "homie" wannabees walking around wearing baggy clothing talking ebonics like they think they know what it means, and blaring their rap music from their cars wiggling their hands at you as they drive by.
In this case I have to say, leave all that to the actual rappers who I am damn sure don't go around acting like that 24/7 and half of it is an act.

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BFmastermind

I agree with that statement and it's true. If you've ever read up on the real life of a rapper then you would know it's a little more business than pleasure. They have to do things right, have certain things on time, and marketing has to be good or they will lose a lot of money. What people see is a 3-5 minute video showing what a rapper is doing in a yacht or a big mansion or at a party. People shouldn't assume that sums up the true life of a rapper. Even southern rappers like Ludacris and Lil' Jon a lot of have business to take care of. I can't claim southern rap is destroying what rap is, because most of the rap we enjoy has come from the south, and that includes rappers from the past and the present. Southern rap will always have it's unique style, just like west coast rappers will always have their certain style and east coast rappers will always have their own style as well. And in the midwest, there are more original and creative rappers such as Talib, Kanye West, Common, and Twista. The midwest rappers are trying to bring rap into a better light. There's no need to actually worry too much though because if certain rappers don't sell enough records then you probably won't be seeing them rap at all in the future. People who make money don't like to hire or keep people who don't make money. But to be frank, just about all rappers from any area always show off their jewelry, money, and other possessions. That trend didn't really originate in the south, but it did influence the southern rappers the most.

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Miroku4444

You can actually tell that? It all sounds the same to me?

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BFmastermind

That's a big stereotype and if you really want me to explain to you the key differences of style and presentation between different areas of rap music then I can send you a pm.

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Miroku4444

Well whenever I hear rap(Not by choise ) It all just sounds the same. Dont see how you can with no melody or actual singing involved. I just know it drives me nutz.

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