Zarriff

Having grown up in a Christian family and having friends of many religions, I often find myself trying to convince people that science isn't a lie from the devil (And yes, they are that stubborn). When Humans were in the early stages of civilization, science and religion went hand in hand. The science was usually wrong and based off of philosophy, but it was a start. With the rise of more advanced philosophies and more advance equipment Humans began to explore the past and what lies beyond our planet. After that it seems science became the anti-Christ. Much of modern science contradicts our religions, such as the creation of Earth and the solar system by God vs. the Big Bang theory, the creation of humans vs. evolution, etc.

My question is this: Do you believe that you're religion holds all the answers, do you believe that science is truth, and disproves religion, do you believe that science is a "religion" of it's own, or do you believe that the Earthly religions and science go hand in hand? Though a lot of science is just theory, often with lots of observations and tests to back them up, there are many things that we cannot deny that bring question to all Earthly religions. Things like the existence of other worlds outside of our galaxy and the existence of other galaxies, proof of life long before humans, expansion of the universe, etc.

Which is right; religion, science, both, neither? Or is it something that humans simply cannot comprehend and thus is something we could never know?

Enlighten me...

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ketaro

well religion was created by man, and so science was created by man too, i don't see who really has the answer to all our questions. Sometimes science is wrong on some stuff so is the religion that we believe in....

Zarriff

Science and religion aren't really things that we can create. They're ideas, something that exists whether we study it, use it, or acknowledge it or not. For as long as anything has existed there's been religion and science, though there may not have been anything else XD.

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LenMiyata

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The technical description of 'Science' is that it is a Philosophy that views, measures and analysis the world using the rules of logic. Science can only comment on topics that can be measured and observed in a consistent fashion, either directly or indirectly. As a result of this, Science can comment on something invisible, such as the electrons inside a atom, but it cannot comment on topics such as 'What is the meaning to life', which can only be covered by religion.

Many famous scientist of the past (Darwin, Linius, Einstien) viewed their studies of science as an attempt to further understand the works of God, and to indirectly gain some insight on God. Science is not a replacement for Religion (contrary to the positions of may atheist...), while at the same time, Religion is not a replacement for Science.

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Zarriff

So in a sense, they can co-exist if viewed for what they are, not for what people take them for. The problem with science is that most people see it as black and white, and in a few cases that I know of, some people believe that science is used to disprove religion. While modern science does bring question to the truth of biblical stories, such as Adam and Eve, it can never bring question to the existence of God.

I'm beginning to think that, rather than destroying the religions of man, modern science is simply working it's way towards changing the details of what we've believed fopr thousands of years. As science evolves, and our grasp on the universe extends, our beliefs must bend a little. As we further understand the aspects and workings of God, and as we further understand ourselves, our beliefs must also expand to accommodate what we understand and what we find to be truth. At least, that is the way I see it.

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Cheza

I agree... I also have grown in a religious family (we're catholic) well I stopped going (and believing) in church when I was like 10 years old and decided it was hypocritical bull...I just don't belive that a superior life form created us from dust (or something like that) I belive in Evolution...

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Miroku4444

Well its possiable to believe in both.

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Zarriff

Don't get me wrong, by no means am I religious; but in the end the same thing goes for evolution. Even if we evolved from a lifeform as simple as bacteria, something had to have created it. Personally, I don't think that a sepreme being "created life" at all. All it takes is all the right substances; water, oxygen, a certain temperature range, etc. But even then, the stuff we're made out of came to be somehow. That's the part that I think is simply beyond human comprehention.

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teddeler

Not sure where to begin, it's such a broad topic and I don't have much time right now.

Science is often viewed as the enemy of religion because some have used it to destroy others faith. Science is basically a way to observe facts and deduce more facts from them, proving the additional deductions along the way. When these facts come into conflict with religious belief you can end up with a crises of faith. The problem is that the scientific deductions have been made by man, which is fallible, what is known to be scientific truth today will be learned tomorrow to have been wrong or will at least need to be qualified with exceptions to still be considered true. The more complex the scientific truth the more likely (and quickly) this is to happen. On the other hand religions have a similar problem. Even for those that accept that there is a God (like I do) you have different levels of truth. You have what God said, you have what a man wrote down as being what God said (man - as I mentioned before - being fallible), you have what a man believes the first man meant when the first writing gets translated to a different language, and you get scads of writings and interpretations of the interpretations as everyone who reads the work tries to work out what it actually means when applied to real life.

So often what you end up with when someone has a crises of faith is a conflict between a scientific 'fact' that will be disproved tomorrow and a religious 'fact' based on an assumption of an interpretation that got hardened into dogma centuries ago.

I could expand on this but I'm out of time, more later maybe. I personally don't see science as the enemy of religion (at least my religion). Science, to me, is a way of observing and coming to understand a little bit more about God's creations in this world. When I do see news on scientific discoveries in apparent conflict with my religious beliefs I don't fuss about it, given time either the science turns out to be questionable or the religious assumptions I was making turn out to not be set in stone.

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kedar

First of all, let me say that you have raised a very intriguing and hard question. Here is my answer for it, it is very simple: science doesn't hold all of the answers to questions. The only one who does, is The Divine God himself. Science can never prove that The Divine God doesn't exist, I mean never. Something (science) can never prove that some supreme being (The Divine God) doesn't exist, which created the something (the science). Get it. We, humans, can never fully understand the true nature of The Divine God. We can get closer to him, but we can never be him...................my question to those who don't believe creation is, how did the elemental matter can to exist?

Hope I made sense...............not sure if this led to any enlightenment................

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WaNaBeFaNgIrL

I believe sinece could go hand in hand with religon if Sicentist and stuff wouldnt try to disprove the bible all the time. Yeah... it seems like first it started out as trying to further under stand gods work... but now it can seem that ( well ok im starting to think) that sience is its oun religion though not clasified as one, because its what you believe( I hope this is making sence) Im a Christion so I dont believe in the evalution with the big bang and the coming from girms or whatever from the whater Billions of years ago. And yes Im a very riligous so I do believe that the bible is right and yeah...but ..um thats just what I think... good topic though!

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