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    STAR WARS HOMING BEACON - The Official StarWars.com Newsletter
    2005-06-23 - Issue #139

    Welcome back to the Homing Beacon, the official newsletter of
    starwars.com.

    DID PALPATINE THROW THE FIGHT?

    The following is a sample entry of the new Set Diary series now
    available for Hyperspace members. In the summer of 2003,
    correspondent Pablo Hidalgo filed daily reports on the making of
    Episode III, but by necessity most of the plot details were obscured
    as to not spoil any secrets. Now that the movie is out, much of what
    was too hot in 2003 can be discussed, with further insight into the
    making of Revenge of the Sith.

    It's one of the fieriest debates of online fan forums: when Palpatine
    was cornered in his office's giant window-frame, was he really
    overpowered by Mace? Or was he faking to lure Anakin? Could Mace
    really have gotten the upper hand on the Sith Lord?

    George Lucas is the ultimate keeper of the true answer, and he's not
    telling... yet, anyway. If you had asked me in the Summer of '03,
    when the sequence was first shot, I would have had a solid answer.
    But, if you asked me in the Fall of '04, when the sequence was
    re-shot, well... for those who want to debate, it's best to know more
    of the story of how this scene came to be.

    This entire sequence changed significantly during postproduction.
    What we witnessed in Sydney told a different story. Anakin did not
    earn Mace's trust by ratting out Sidious right away. He did not
    agonize over his decisions while sitting alone in the Jedi Council
    chamber. He did not rush in at the last minute to witness a
    questionable balance of power. Instead, he stayed at Palpatine's
    side, in the Chancellor's private office, as Mace and his posse of
    Jedi barged in.

    "Stand behind me," ordered Mace, in Sam Jackson's demanding tones.
    But Anakin didn't budge. Instead, he watched passively as Palpatine
    used the Force to snatch Anakin's lightsaber from his belt and
    attacks Mace and the Jedi. There's ample evidence of this original
    version for those with sharp eyes and behind-the-scenes photos. Heck,
    even Hasbro action figures with Palpatine packaged with Anakin's
    lightsaber got out there in the initial shipments.

    So, if Sidious' entire duel played out before Anakin's stunned eyes,
    I'd be inclined to think that his fall was just for show. This
    changed after a screening George Lucas held for a few key colleagues.
    Their reactions underscored the shortcomings of the way this duel was
    constructed. Anakin's inaction was hard to justify cinematically.
    "The story was there, but it wasn't clear," said Lucas at the time it
    came to rebuild this scene. "It was too abstract. We opened up that
    part and looked at what we could do."

    When word of the change came down, the keepers of continuities
    started carefully tracking the evolving consequences. Palpatine had
    two lightsabers, then, since he loses this one in the duel with Mace.
    I still have in my inbox a tentative email from one of the authors
    asking, "um, have we figured out yet whose lightsaber Palpatine uses
    in the fight with the Jedi?"

    At first, it was feared it was impossible to CG the small
    svelte-handled weapon over Anakin's relatively chunky handle, but
    nonetheless, that was the lightsaber given to McDiarmid for the
    pickup photography. The shots of Palpatine rising from his chair and
    extending the weapon were reshot. The bulk of the duel between
    Sidious and Mace stayed from principal photography, except for a new
    touch -- a kick to Palpatine's face, done with stunt double Michael
    Byrne. This was shot on a partial set of just a piece of window-frame
    on Friday, August 27.

    So... with this revised duel, if Sidious threw the fight, it places
    an awful lot of faith on Anakin's timing ...and he suffered a
    kicked-in face to boot. For what it's worth to those arguing, I doubt
    there's anyone who thinks Palpatine's serious when he claims he's too
    weak. That's obviously a lie. But was the fall into the corner that
    preceded his pleas for help a lie as well?

    What else changed in this scene? There are a few more interesting
    details, particularly where it moved in the sequencing of the story.
    But that will have to wait for another entry.

    To read more of this kind of in-depth reporting from an eyewitness to
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    I thought that this was a good argument. What do you all think.
    I think Palpitine planned it out for Anakin, do you really think a sith loard would let himslef get into that situation. Hell no, he obvicly know Mace would find him and knew Anikan would do that.

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    I never thought that Sidious was ever that great of a fighter really, and quite frankly, whether he threw the fight or not, he would still have a hell of a time beating Windu. The only reason Mace did get beat is because anakin changed his mind at the last minute, and Sidious sucked punched him.

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    Oh my, the most argued about scene in Ep.III is coming to AO (Ever been to theforce.net and checked the topics on it? Don't.).

    My view on the fight is that Sidious was overcome in the fight (he's just so damn overconfident) but the part where he is pleading to anakin (while being fried) was all acted out.
    You can even see him looking back and forth from Mace to Anakin just to see if Anakin is buying it. He knows how to change virtually every situation to his advantage.

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