Chiefblackhammer

There is no such thing as an original idea or concept but rather all knowledge and wisdom is gained by the reciprocation of the passing of knowledge from one generation to the next. Through the passing of this knowledge, thoughts and ideas are made manifest and we assess a value of truth, thereafter expanding upon, acknowledging, or disclaiming the validity thereof.

Thus to borrow, proliferate and ultimately redefine the ideas that Maslow, Freud, Marx and others before them have expanded upon there is this thought that Maslow introduces with his law. Per Maslow’s law, humanity operates per basic “needs” that build upon or rather drive other needs, I concur but only to the extent of Maslow’s law that we do operate along basic “needs”, the rest of the thoughts that Maslow elaborated upon profusely looses validity solely by the exact conclusion he derived.

The single human need that drives all others is the “will to live” thus this is the absolute underlining motivation that facilitates the primary propellers of life. Though not every person will manifest the “will to live” in the same manner, different facets of every persons life will exonerate this driver. The will to live closely affixiates itself with not only an individual but to all of humanity as a whole.

This can be seen in about every facet of humanity, the “will to live” manifests itself in our fascination with living forever and eternal youth; these concepts have sparked many myths and folklore.

Given the chance for physical immortality is for the moment nothing more than a fantasy, man still attempts and strives for ways to prolong, transplant or create life after death. With prolonging life it can be stated that man will (normally without hesitation), cheat, lie, steal, kill and do about any other thing under the sun to preserve their own life. We create funnel billions of dollars developing medicines to keep us healthy in an effort to prolong our lives, make us look younger (youth being the association with futility and life) and feel younger as well.

Parents use their children as an extension of their own lives making them do the things they never could (play the piano, sports, med-school, etc…) thus facilitating their living on by instilling their failed dreams into their offspring.

Marxism suggests that man even uses religion (a suggestion that religion is man made rather than anyone of them being an actuality) to fulfill this basic need. Man creates religions that either produces the concept of living forever or ones life becoming renewed; Christianity has eternal life after death, Buddhism/Hinduism has reincarnation, etc…

The beauty of this realism is that it directly relates to all of the aforementioned qualifiers but appears so in an indirect manner. Thoughts & Ideas?

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HibikiLink

What you say makes alot of sence. However not everyone is willing to do everything bad under the sun to prolong their life. I actually don't know how to answer to this message

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The King of Fashion

This has got to be one of the most logical things I ever heard in my life. In my opinion, there is pretty nothing else to add on to this statement. Way to go chiefblackhammer. Fashion-tastic !!!!!

~Kiss

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Chiefblackhammer

I wasn't trying to suggest they would do it just to prolong their life but when placed in situations where one faces imminent danger or threat of their life ending their instincts take over and there isn't much they won't do because they are no longer using logic but rather using raw emotion.

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JustLoseIt

People are afraid of getting old and dieing...Simple as that.

Plus some of the beauty's out there wanna stay young and healthy forever...So Yes they will do things to try and prolong their youthful appearences.

Look at John Bastow! Haha Woo...and that one REALLY old guy that is like super active and "Muscles".

Sure it's not a crime to want to look beautiful. But let it come naturally... I mean sure whatever Make-up and all that jazz. But I mean people don't need to get all these face lifts and plastic surgery. Go run around your block 3 times.
You won't be able to stay beautiful forever. One day you'll just be a skeleton in a box 6 feet under the ground.

BUT, Rather than focus our attention on the outside beauty..Us humans should focuz on inward beauty. Our Spirit...That's what really counts my friends.^^

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HibikiLink

[/quote] BUT, Rather than focus our attention on the outside beauty..Us humans should focuz on inward beauty. Our Spirit...That's what really counts my friends.^^[/quote]

I would Hi 5 you on that if I could that is so what we need to do. I like the way you think

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Miroku4444

I dont get the point of this thread. My head hurts. lol

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Rave_Grip

I'm not afraid of dying, but I do want to live life to it's fullest. But above all, well said JustLoseIt ^^

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Lighting Count

I think what chiefblackhammer is asking is why do we run from death when we all know were going to die anyways?

I can't answer that because i act like every minute is my last, wanting to die to live my life to the fullest.Don't get me wrong, i would never kill myself.Its human nature to not want to die and do any thing to live as long as you can.My brain has over rided that, beliving if i died now i lived a good life(which i have).I think this makes me much different then most of you, because i live my life in a way most of you never will.

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koga23

Probably because that were a afraid of the unknown and were just scared to face death.

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Soshi Kitai

O_O I haven't seen a topic so delicately posted since my days in Dejitaru!
^_^ For that, I give you my claps! That is truly acknowledgeable!
Let me try my best to post like I used to as well!

• beginning statement
  for your starting statement, I'll have to agree that you have definitely brought up something unmistakeable to most scholars and philosophers. Indeed, there is no such thing as an original idea according to how you placed it. However, I must disagree to that with a quote from the author Joshua Reynolds:
  
  "A mere copier of nature can never produce anything great."
  
  Though merely an opinion from someone born from a womb, which would be included in your statement, I will stand by his statement. If we cannot have an original thought, I must trace our "original" thoughts to our very great creations. Yet, you do not need my list for these works. You can see for yourself when you see the Wonders of the World. Even if taught this "manufactured originality", these works do indeed inspire even the most experienced artists.
  
  Our most simple works of art; a crudely made stick figure, an apartment design, a review to a common play, and other such. These are examples of individuality without inspiration. A man who has not seen a single work by another creature can still create art. But is this because the genes that have been passed down into his own has art inside it? Could it be the traits that an Almighty Being have fused into the soul of mankind since the beginning of time?
  
  Whether given or created. Every work is original. Every thought is original. If we were to destroy everything that was given to us, and everything we have learned, we would find us creating anew, am I right? I know you were not possibly referring to the topic I bring up, but it I believe it corrolates to your statement in some way.
  
  
• ending statement
  in some indirect way or another indeed. I agree upon it, yet collect my previous theory and place it in front of me again. I stand firm by it.
  
  
• overall statement
  is this indeed your will to live? Or could you have possibly stated this from another's inspiration? My theory denies such things. Yet, upon retrospect, agrees with it. I deny and agree, for the reason of my will to live.
  
  We are assuredly fed thoughts since the beginning of our life. In places in the world, some are taught of the presents of Santa Claus. This tradition is played out less and less as years pass into our most agnostic century yet. The very agnostic "disease" is being spread by those who have earned "original" thoughts and even studied facts of the past. As an example:
  
  Art history classes who study Christian art's history have led 23.1224% of Christian students who attended the classes, away from Christianity.
  -Unknown Source
  
  
  We are definitely "bi-products" of history, the media, and our very own genetics. But having religion being one of our "wills" to live has been decreasing due to the lack of foundation and writing in the past. This could have been the product of previous armies and government officials burning such works of studies, but it does not erase the fact of lack of facts and need of faith.
  
  Let me place a better situation to reinforce my debate:
  
  Without hope, what do we seek in this life? What do we live for? What is our will to live? A constant programming of cogs and notches that keep mankind surviving. We indeed find our own immortality in our children and our faith, but was mankind really meant to disappear from this universe without a continuation? Was our life truly so insignificant? ...what is the use of creating original works, or to even fight for our own rights? If we end ourselves now, we can stop this eternal cycle of nothingness. But will we? No. Because we have hope. Because this world does indeed have hope. Could it be we, who found hopelessness, who created hope? Or could some Supreme Being given us hope to continue life for a more powerful reason than just to live? ...a life without hope is a life without living. We seek hope to seek life. If we give up hope, then we die some way some how. It is true, this world has faith. Even if we created it or not, it is still here. We cannot truly know until the end.
  
  
  
• personal highlights
  could it have been the passing of history or is every human really given a collection of traits within the mind? Could we really create new thoughts, or does our mind hold everything, having us only unlock new rooms within it?
  
  I say this upon the names of those who you referred to.
  
  Maslow. His theory I thought up on my own when I was in 4th grade.
  Freud. Whose theory you didn't name specifically in your thesis, I gave myself the "original idea" when I was in 5th grade.
  And Marx's, his original theory I ran into in my own contemplation during the 7th grade.
  
  As a note, I was never taught these theories or beliefs in my classes. This was of course, because I was in a Private Christian School most of my life. I only recently, within a bi-year's period, realized their theories were already named and placed into books.
  
  That always amazes me.
  
  
  So as for my conclusion, I must say that the will to live dives much deeper than you have stated for reason of: No real ending placed in any of the above theories.
  How can we indeed grasp immortality if we cannot count to it?
  How can we indeed grasp life if we cannot touch it?

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