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Old Jan 24, 2007, 07:49 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Abortion

I think it should be up to the mother to decide what is best for her. People think that if you can't take care of the kid, have it and give it up for adoption. It's easier said than done. You look into your childs' eyes when it's born and you can't give it away. You know you can't take care of it but you can't bare to give up your flesh and blood. It would be heartbreaking.

Also, a lot of people say "well they should have used a condom". You can't always use that excuse. If a woman is raped, would YOU want to have that child? You want the father to be some sick man that beat you up and raped you? Heck no. Of course you don't so don't bring a child into the world under such sick circumstances.

I don't agree with people being ignorant though and having abortions just because they were stupid and thought "well it was just one time, how could this happen" crap. That's all it takes sweetie is one time so don't be an idiot.
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Old Jan 24, 2007, 07:51 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Abortion

true it is the anniversery of Roe vs. Wade but the thing that disgust me is that the whole case was a lie. Norma McCorvey (miss. Roe.) lied through the whole thing. Well more like her lawyers did. They told everyone she was raped. Wich she wasn't they said many lies to the judge and to miss. Roe they never really cared about her interest. And now after we made abortion legal we have killed more people than all of the wars we've had combined. And even then the argument that let the women that are pregnant decided if they want a abortion don't know the thruth. The abortion clinics lie to them. Heck Carol Evett who was a Abortion clinic director in Dallal Texas would put the patients in her car when ever they would 'complications' and drive them to a doctor who would keep his/her mouth shut about the number of woman who were maimed and killed in the abortion facilites.
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Old Jan 24, 2007, 07:58 PM   #14 (permalink)
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And even then the argument that let the women that are pregnant decided if they want a abortion don't know the thruth. The abortion clinics lie to them. Heck Carol Evett who was a Abortion clinic director in Dallal Texas would put the patients in her car when ever they would 'complications' and drive them to a doctor who would keep his/her mouth shut about the number of woman who were maimed and killed in the abortion facilites.


Don't know the truth? what truth is there to know about abortion?

Your talking about one clinic right? ONE. I'm sure there are clinics out there that do the right things.

I feel as if, if you say, make abortion illegal - it's taking away a womans right to her own body and her own life. Freedom of speech and choice!
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Old Jan 24, 2007, 07:59 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Re: Abortion

^ Exactly, it's like taking away a person's right to wear what they choose or eat what they want.
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Old Jan 24, 2007, 08:03 PM   #16 (permalink)
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another thing i don't like is that the abortin clinics lie to the womans faces about it being "safe and legal" it is so not safe. In the abortion clinic in dallas mentioned earlier 1 out of the 500 woman would eighter die or be miamed. But that is not the only thing that can go wrong in a abortion. You can have your urinary tract cut, or perforations in the uterus, all of these require surgery. and in the abortion clinics they don't even have enough equipment to stop bleeding and one of the complications rarely publicized is when the bowels ar pulled out of the "private area" and results in colostomy. which they will live with for the rest of their lives.

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Don't know the truth? what truth is there to know about abortion?

Your talking about one clinic right? ONE. I'm sure there are clinics out there that do the right things.

I feel as if, if you say, make abortion illegal - it's taking away a womans right to her own body and her own life. Freedom of speech and choice!
actually it's a chain of abortin clinics owned by one woman and if you have time i can produce very graphic pictures that tell you the real thruth the media don't want to tell you about.


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Old Jan 24, 2007, 08:07 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: Abortion

Again, you are stereo typing all abortion clinics. not all aborttion clinics are like that.

I don't know where, but i'm pretty sure in Aust, it's illegal if they don't tell the patients the things that could go wrong. So the women should know the dangers before going through with it
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Old Jan 24, 2007, 08:08 PM   #18 (permalink)
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You can't accuse every single clinic based on one chain of clinics owned by one woman.
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I think it should be up to the mother to decide what is best for her. People think that if you can't take care of the kid, have it and give it up for adoption. It's easier said than done. You look into your childs' eyes when it's born and you can't give it away. You know you can't take care of it but you can't bare to give up your flesh and blood. It would be heartbreaking.
You say that it is easier to have an abortion than to give your child away. What about that babys life you are killing an innocent human. When does the child have a soul after its born while it's developing in the womb or at conception? Then child has a soul and becomes a living being at the point of conception. So when you say it would be easier to have an abortion rather then to see your child go to a loving family who can't have kids of their own that is wrong. Yes it may be your flesh and blood but were you thinking about that when you decided to kill it. To kill the innocent child that did not get a chance to live? I was pregnant but I lost the baby not my choice or by abortion. I was going to give my baby up for adoption because I couldn't take care of it at 13 after it was born I would have just turned 14 what was I going to do but maybe give my child a better life by giving it to a family that would love it. I was not going to kill my baby just because I did not want to give it up seeing as it was my flesh and blood.

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Also, a lot of people say "well they should have used a condom". You can't always use that excuse. If a woman is raped, would YOU want to have that child? You want the father to be some sick man that beat you up and raped you? Heck no. Of course you don't so don't bring a child into the world under such sick circumstances.
Now lets get started on your Rape theory. I am a rape victim as I have said earlier in this thread. You say that people don't want to have the child because of the fact it was product of rape and it might turn out like the father. Guess what it turns out how you raise it. Not by it's genetic makeup. You make it sound like the child is nothing but trash that should be discarded. Which is the totally wrong way to look at it. If you think about it the baby is half and half half you half the person that raped you. So to have an abortion is to be killing a part of you. Could you live with that? Maybe you were supposed to have the baby you know Gods way of doing things. In the bible it says "Thou Shalt Not Murder." You are murdering a innocent human being when you have an abortion. Get that through your head. ABORTION=MURDER.
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Old Jan 24, 2007, 08:20 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Now lets get started on your Rape theory. I am a rape victim as I have said earlier in this thread. You say that people don't want to have the child because of the fact it was product of rape and it might turn out like the father. Guess what it turns out how you raise it. Not by it's genetic makeup. You make it sound like the child is nothing but trash that should be discarded. Which is the totally wrong way to look at it. If you think about it the baby is half and half half you half the person that raped you. So to have an abortion is to be killing a part of you. Could you live with that? Maybe you were supposed to have the baby you know Gods way of doing things. In the bible it says "Thou Shalt Not Murder." You are murdering a innocent human being when you have an abortion. Get that through your head. ABORTION=MURDER.

Some people may look at it that way, but other mother might look at it in a bad why. The child for them is a symbol of the person who hurt them, or demoralized them. It's not always that easy
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Re: Abortion

Thanks for assuming things about what I said. You were WAY off.

I certainly DO NOT think that a child is trash. Let's get some crazy, sick human being to rape you. You get pregnant. You want to give birth to a baby you didn't want, isn't your lovers and has a father like that? I know you wouldn't so don't act like you would. No woman wants to bring a child into the world that way. You want to bring it into a world where A. it has loving parents and B. was created because the parents WANTED it as opposed to someone forcing you to have sex with them and not being ready to have a child or just simply not wanting a child.

It's easier to abort the child because you haven't formed a bond with it. Don't get it twisted, I am not saying it's a great thing to abort your own child, it's just the easier of the two. You don't want to bring a child into the world you can't care for. A lot of people opt for the adoption route but like I said, it's easier said than done. You give birth and see your baby. You form an instant bond with it. You look into it's eyes and think "that's my baby". You are overwhelmed with emotion. Not easy to give your kid away after the miracle of birth and what seeing your child does to you.

Please do not resort to the bible and God for I do not believe in it. Also, I am rather offended that you assume these things about me. No mother wants to abort their child but it's a decision a woman has to make. Whatever she thinks is best. Whether other people think it's right or wrong doesn't matter. If she feels that what she chooses is the best outcome for the child, that is her decision and she'll know in her heart if it's right or wrong.



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Some people may look at it that way, but other mother might look at it in a bad why. The child for them is a symbol of the person who hurt them, or demoralized them. It's not always that easy


Thank you. That is a point I was trying to make.
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Some people may look at it that way, but other mother might look at it in a bad why. The child for them is a symbol of the person who hurt them, or demoralized them. It's not always that easy
Yes some people look at the baby as someone that hurt them so they have abortions. But think about it did the baby rape the person. Was it the baby's fault that it was concieved? No the baby has as much right to live as the next person. Why play God and decide since the father hurt you that you should get ride of the result to the rape. You will never forget your rape you will always remember it. You will after having the abortion remember the pain you go through the depression that follows and the empty feeling of knowing that the baby is no longer there that you had taken a life. Is taking a babies life less important then taking someone elses life? No a life is a life no matter wheither it be an unborn child or a complete stranger.


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As I have said This has happened to me. I was not going to kill the baby just because of the fact the person did this to me. I don't blame the child just the one that did it.


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