Abortion - Page 4

*Sinistra* · Jan 24, 2007, 08:54 PM

well if we didn't have death the world would be overpopulated more then it is now. I agree Hassun Old age is another unwrong death I mean I know its hard on the families but yeah killing a kid that hasn't ben born yet. you don't know how it will act you don't know how it will change your life till you see for your self and you got coward mothers out there "I don't want this baby I want it dead" Thats like giving consent to suiside just about. it may be your choice but as I see it the baby should have a say in how its life is ended not by the hands of its own mother

Cobra_Commander · Jan 24, 2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ky-lyrra

You don't like me quoting something from the bible or saying God has his reasons but yet you say things happen for a reason. As for looking at your child and just letting it go it happens all the time I bet there are thousands of mothers hundreds of rape victims right now handing their babys over to someone that would love and cherish the child. You're right I haven't gotten the chance to hand my baby over to adoption like I'm going on about but the thing is the only reason I didn't get to is because I lost my baby or I would have done it. I would have cried my eyes out as I did it even if I didn't want to but I would have had my priorities straight when I did it. I would have known there was no way at my age I could have taken care of it. If you want to keep your baby or even if you put it up for adoption there are always open adoption meaning you have every right to see your child just can't take it back. There is always the 60 day limit after the adoption is signed that you could get your child back if you feel that you can take care of it. Abortion is not the answer.

Just because things happen for a reason doesn't mean it has anything to do with God so I don't know why you bring that up.

You are just basing your opinion off of yourself and what you think. You believe that you are right and everyone else is wrong. That is not what a debate is about. Debates are about sharing your ideas, your opinions. I do not think you are wrong because what you say is your own opinion. I have never once said that you were wrong yet you go off on anyone who has a different opinion. Opinions are neither right or wrong. If you can't get that, you just shouldn't be debating. It's an exchange of ideas, pros and cons, not telling everyone they are wrong.

The decision should be the mothers', period. It's what she thinks is right. That doesn't mean you have to agree with abortion but no one can tell her she is wrong. People shouldn't look down on a woman just because she had an abortion. It doesn't make her any less of a human being.

_gwenibe_ · Jan 24, 2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinistra

coward mothers out there "I don't want this baby I want it dead" Thats like giving consent to suiside just about. it may be your choice but as I see it the baby should have a say in how its life is ended not by the hands of its own mother

I am extremely offend by the "coward mothers" part. You have no idea what it's like for a mother to go through that choice. And I'll have to admit, niether do I.

The mother has to do what she thinks it's right, what she believes it right at the time. She is by no means a coward. She is doing what see believes is right for the child and for her at the time. No one has the right to tell her other wise

*Sinistra* · Jan 24, 2007, 09:00 PM

Cobra you have a one sided view to this argement you think death to a baby that was conseved by rape is evil. How do you know the kid won't be something you a mother could be prod of. I mean I know a friend of mine who was raped she kept her baby and he is over in iraq fighting for our freedom so before you go judging other members on their opions clear your head out first and think in the bigger picture you say shes trying to make everyone agree with her? you are doing the same thing

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Originally Posted by _gwenibe_

I am extremely offend by the "coward mothers" part. You have no idea what it's like for a mother to go through that choice. And I'll have to admit, niether do I.

The mother has to do what she thinks it's right, what she believes it right at the time. She is by no means a coward. She is doing what see believes is right for the child and for her at the time. No one has the right to tell her other wise

I apolizes for my comment

Cobra_Commander · Jan 24, 2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinistra

Cobra you have a one sided view to this argement you think death to a baby that was conseved by rape is evil. How do you know the kid won't be something you a mother could be prod of. I mean I know a friend of mine who was raped she kept her baby and he is over in iraq fighting for our freedom so before you go judging other members on their opions clear your head out first and think in the bigger picture you say shes trying to make everyone agree with her? you are doing the same thing

DO NOT assume things about me.

I expressed MY opinion. I didn't tell anyone they were wrong. I presented that to have people think about that situation and whether they would rather have a child by a man who raped them or the man that they love. What you said also didn't make much sense. I never said "death to a baby that was conceived by rape is evil".

EVERYONE is different. Not every person can handle the situation but some can. It's nice that your friend did that but not all mothers make that decision.

I expressed MANY times that no one has to agree with the mothers' decision or that abortion is right or wrong but they DO NOT have the right to put the mother down for it.

*Ky-lyrra* · Jan 24, 2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra_Commander

You are just basing your opinion off of yourself and what you think. You believe that you are right and everyone else is wrong. That is not what a debate is about. Debates are about sharing your ideas, your opinions. I do not think you are wrong because what you say is your own opinion. I have never once said that you were wrong yet you go off on anyone who has a different opinion. Opinions are neither right or wrong. If you can't get that, you just shouldn't be debating. It's an exchange of ideas, pros and cons, not telling everyone they are wrong.

The decision should be the mothers', period. It's what she thinks is right. That doesn't mean you have to agree with abortion but no one can tell her she is wrong. People shouldn't look down on a woman just because she had an abortion. It doesn't make her any less of a human being.

Well I have not gone off on anyone yet really I am being very calm even though some things you have said about let some crazy person rape me and see what I would do really hit a nerve because it has happened. I am being really calm in this debate you have not seen me go off. I will not go off. A debate is also trying to persuade someone. Which I am trying to do. I'm taking your opinion and giving it an alternative to what you say.

Also about people looking down on people that have abortions is like saying don't treat someone different because of their upbringing it's totally going to happen.

Had something else but I did not want to seem like I'm ridiculing someone.

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Originally Posted by Cobra_Commander

I expressed MY opinion. I didn't tell anyone they were wrong. I presented that to have people think about that situation and whether they would rather have a child by a man who raped them or the man that they love. What you said also didn't make much sense. I never said "death to a baby that was conceived by rape is evil".

You express your opinion yes just as I do mine. I do not put down the woman that have abortions I just think it is wrong when there were other options out there. I do not treat any of my family different though many of them did have abortions. They are human beings but I do not support abortion plain and simple. Yes in some cases I do but when someones just being selfish I don't support it ok.

Cobra_Commander · Jan 24, 2007, 09:07 PM

Let me give it to you honestly.

I'm sorry but your situation does not affect my answers. Rape is a serious issue and is never welcome but your situation doesn't make me agree with you.That also doesn't mean you are wrong, I just simply do not agree.

You take my words the complete wrong way. I was not using the rape suggestion as a person thing. It was a general idea for people to imagine going through that situation.

You've basically told me I was wrong since I started posting here and you assume I am a murderer for not being against abortion. Is that how society acts towards people they don't know? Sad if it is.

I am not angry at anyone, I am not going to hold anything against anyone. I would just appreciate it if people would stop treating me like the worst person who ever lived. I never said that I like abortion and I am not "one sided". I simply think it is up to the mother to make that decision.

*Sinistra* · Jan 24, 2007, 09:12 PM

OK we can all agree on something Rapists are scum of the earth. I see it this way. a rape victom dose have a right with what happens to her body (or his body altho you don't see many girl rapists). and I agree aportion is one of the alturnitives to giving it up for aoption or keeping it.

_gwenibe_ · Jan 24, 2007, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinistra

I apolizes for my comment

You forgiven Sinistra ^^
And yes, at least we can agree on something. I guess it comes down to choice, what the woman believes in and how she wants to live her life and how she wants her child to live

*Ky-lyrra* · Jan 24, 2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra_Commander

Let me give it to you honestly.

I'm sorry but your situation does not affect my answers. Rape is a serious issue and is never welcome but your situation doesn't make me agree with you.That also doesn't mean you are wrong, I just simply do not agree.

You take my words the complete wrong way. I was not using the rape suggestion as a person thing. It was a general idea for people to imagine going through that situation.

You've basically told me I was wrong since I started posting here and you assume I am a murderer for not being against abortion. Is that how society acts towards people they don't know? Sad if it is.

Not once have I said you were a murderer not once do I see myself calling you that. Simply what I have said is that Abortion is Murder plain and simple. Well at the time you were debating me you were quoting me so when you said that thing about the rape you have to think that it might have been towards me. I have gone through it ok I don't need a visual I have it stuck in my memory forever. It's something I can not get out of my head. It's with me when I close my eyes almost 5 years have past and it still seems like yesterday. I see it clearly. I do not take the rape situation lightly that you have given. I was in your situation before to where you say that I have been taking everything you said wrongly and the person that was debating with me said that was the whole point to twist words and go against what the person is saying with your views. Well I have tried not to twist your words just to give you alternate views of what could happen if you let the child live but you keep coming at me with "It's easier said then done." I know it is but Killing the child is definatly not the right thing to do.

Cobra_Commander · Jan 24, 2007, 09:23 PM

You can't say it is the wrong thing to do. I'm gonna say it loud and clear; IT'S THE MOTHERS' DECISION. It doesn't matter if you or anyone else thinks it's wrong or right. The point is, if she thinks it's right, no one should say otherwise. If she thinks it is better for the child's future life, you can't alter that decision.

Once again, your previous situation wasn't a good one but I just simply don't care. I don't know you, it was a bad situation, it shouldn't happen but it doesn't make me think anything different. You aren't the only person who has been raped in this world. If you don't want to talk about it, don't mention it. The best way to get over it IS to talk about it. Share what happened with people so they know what it is like.

I feel sorry for people in bad situations like that but repeatedly telling me about it means nothing to me for the fact that it just doesn't make me change my mind about what I think. My main answer is basically, "so?" It wont alternate my thoughts.

I LOVE talking to people and helping them out. If you choose to talk to me like a human being, I wouldn't mind getting to know you and being friends. I just don't agree with you saying it is wrong. It is neither right or wrong, it's a decision one makes based on themself.

Jan 24, 2007, 08:54 PM	#34 (permalink)
Sinistra Legendary Otaku Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,520 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Credits: 1,416	Re: Abortion well if we didn't have death the world would be overpopulated more then it is now. I agree Hassun Old age is another unwrong death I mean I know its hard on the families but yeah killing a kid that hasn't ben born yet. you don't know how it will act you don't know how it will change your life till you see for your self and you got coward mothers out there "I don't want this baby I want it dead" Thats like giving consent to suiside just about. it may be your choice but as I see it the baby should have a say in how its life is ended not by the hands of its own mother __________________ [ Anime Insight \| Anime Paper \| MiniTokyo \| Myspace \| DeviantART \| FireFox]
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Cobra_Commander Newbie Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Credits: 257	Re: Abortion Let me give it to you honestly. I'm sorry but your situation does not affect my answers. Rape is a serious issue and is never welcome but your situation doesn't make me agree with you.That also doesn't mean you are wrong, I just simply do not agree. You take my words the complete wrong way. I was not using the rape suggestion as a person thing. It was a general idea for people to imagine going through that situation. You've basically told me I was wrong since I started posting here and you assume I am a murderer for not being against abortion. Is that how society acts towards people they don't know? Sad if it is. I am not angry at anyone, I am not going to hold anything against anyone. I would just appreciate it if people would stop treating me like the worst person who ever lived. I never said that I like abortion and I am not "one sided". I simply think it is up to the mother to make that decision.
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Sinistra Legendary Otaku Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,520 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Credits: 1,416	Re: Abortion OK we can all agree on something Rapists are scum of the earth. I see it this way. a rape victom dose have a right with what happens to her body (or his body altho you don't see many girl rapists). and I agree aportion is one of the alturnitives to giving it up for aoption or keeping it. __________________ [ Anime Insight \| Anime Paper \| MiniTokyo \| Myspace \| DeviantART \| FireFox]
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Jan 24, 2007, 09:23 PM	#44 (permalink)
Cobra_Commander Newbie Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Credits: 257	Re: Abortion You can't say it is the wrong thing to do. I'm gonna say it loud and clear; IT'S THE MOTHERS' DECISION. It doesn't matter if you or anyone else thinks it's wrong or right. The point is, if she thinks it's right, no one should say otherwise. If she thinks it is better for the child's future life, you can't alter that decision. Once again, your previous situation wasn't a good one but I just simply don't care. I don't know you, it was a bad situation, it shouldn't happen but it doesn't make me think anything different. You aren't the only person who has been raped in this world. If you don't want to talk about it, don't mention it. The best way to get over it IS to talk about it. Share what happened with people so they know what it is like. I feel sorry for people in bad situations like that but repeatedly telling me about it means nothing to me for the fact that it just doesn't make me change my mind about what I think. My main answer is basically, "so?" It wont alternate my thoughts. I LOVE talking to people and helping them out. If you choose to talk to me like a human being, I wouldn't mind getting to know you and being friends. I just don't agree with you saying it is wrong. It is neither right or wrong, it's a decision one makes based on themself.
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