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    Re: Anonymous Strikes: DDoS Attack against AU Gov't Websites -Protest of Net Censorsh

    This is ridiculous.
    This kind of censorship borders on Communism. I could see censoring something on TV, because in order to censor TV, you don't have to remove entire programs. On the internet, however, it's obviously too hard for the government there to pick off sites one by one, which is understandable.
    However, perhaps if they didn't want child pornography sites floating around on their sterile cyberspace they could just stop the people who are accessing these sites. If no one is there to watch it, then it has been effectively censored, right?
    In this case, the government seems to be shrugging off any hard work, responsibility, or effort because it's too hard and it's easier just to shut down a whole bunch of websites.
    Not to say that it wouldn't be hard work to get rid of sites individually or get rid of all of the viewers of these sites, but it's their responsibility, isn't it?

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    Re: Anonymous Strikes: DDoS Attack against AU Gov't Websites -Protest of Net Censorsh

    Well you guys have certainly raised some interesting points. It is not as clear of a right and wrong issue as I thought yesterday. I am not saying my mind is completely changed, though I have a lot to think about. I still feel the government can benefit from limiting websites critical of the government. Criticism does hinder much of the government.

    In america it is much harder for the government to get things done because people believe everything in the media and even make decisions based on comedians impressions. Free speech is good but people should behave.

    I still feel that what Anon did was wrong. And now the Australian government can use that as an excuse to build up their security. So they may have done the one thing that hinders them. We all remember when AO was hacked and I didn't like losing posts or messages.

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    Can hacks and attacks be justified

    Many of you may have read a previous post about a group called Anonymous launching a DDoS attack on a site they protested that ironically enough was about security and censorship. We are not talking about vigilantes monitoring the web for messages about drug smuggling or robberies. These people bring down websites they don't like.

    These hackers and other clowns unleashing these attacks are wrong. If something is gping on that is illegal they should report it and if it is just a matter that they don't like something they should move on.

    Don't you remember when this site was being attacked and hacked every couple of days by jerks who had nothing better to do with their lives.

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    Re: Can hacks and attacks be justified

    I think it depends on how you see it. Personally, i think that any government or institution that favors Internet censorship will be a target for hackers and crackers. Censoring the Internet because of inappropriate content is retarded, why not go after the source instead of censoring the Internet as a whole anyway.

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    Re: Can hacks and attacks be justified

    They did the hack as protest, the cyber version of a Sit-In, which is a legal form of protest. What makes this hack different is that hacking is illegal, and this kind of protest has not been done before on this scale, especially the target, a government website.

    Australia has to be stopped, they're talking about taking away peoples right to choose what is appropriate for themselves, and thats a line that no government should be allowed to cross.

    Merging with Existing thread on this topic.

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    Re: Anonymous Strikes: DDoS Attack against AU Gov't Websites -Protest of Net Censorsh

    Quote Originally Posted by BrightShadow_96 View Post
    However, perhaps if they didn't want child pornography sites floating around on their sterile cyberspace they could just stop the people who are accessing these sites. If no one is there to watch it, then it has been effectively censored, right?
    In this case, the government seems to be shrugging off any hard work, responsibility, or effort because it's too hard and it's easier just to shut down a whole bunch of websites.
    Not to say that it wouldn't be hard work to get rid of sites individually or get rid of all of the viewers of these sites, but it's their responsibility, isn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ketaro View Post
    Censoring the Internet because of inappropriate content is retarded, why not go after the source instead of censoring the Internet as a whole anyway.
    Our government is going after these sicko's, in the mean time, I'd prefer them to shut down these sick sites, so that other people can't access it, or make it harder for them to do so. As a society we know that it is morally wrong, so why not just stop access to the site and go after the people.

    The problem really, is with how far they are taking it, the government is not just stopping at terrorist organisations and child porn, but for other things, which are really a personal choice.


    Quote Originally Posted by beast View Post
    These hackers and other clowns unleashing these attacks are wrong. If something is gping on that is illegal they should report it and if it is just a matter that they don't like something they should move on.

    Don't you remember when this site was being attacked and hacked every couple of days by jerks who had nothing better to do with their lives.
    I have to disagree.. I love protests and I don't think that people should 'just move on'. If people feel strongly about something, they should speak up about it, we are democratic society, it's our right too. Politicians often forget that they are voted in by the people, protesting sends a clear message out to people on what they think.

    Remember womens rights? Those women marched themselves into a bar and chained themselves to it? Look where it has got us now, I can go out and have a fair chance at getting the same job as what a guy would get.

    What Anonymous did may have been illegal, but it sure was effective, not only did it hack into a government website, but it got media attention getting it's message across and I'm sure more people are aware of it now ( I wasnt before hearing about the hack)

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    Re: Anonymous Strikes: DDoS Attack against AU Gov't Websites -Protest of Net Censorsh

    Thank you. I was not sure of the difference between a hack and an attack. And think of this, now Australia can use this as an excuse (a lame one but none the less) to beef up cyber security. I worked with government long enough to know this will be an excuse for several knee-jerk reactions.

    Now think of this: what if these guys decide they want to bring AO down. They can wage a good war against us. Delete posts and messages, and all sorts of bad things.

    Surely on some level you must see the error in being so zealous you actually end up taking peoples freedoms away. Extremist be they liberal or conservative are bad. If they were good they would petition and rally not coerce.

    Someone once asked why I stayed on this forum if I disagreed with somethings on the forum. Because that is natural. No group is ever going to get along all the time on everything.

    Don't get me wrong. I am very liberal. I hope for the legalisation of marijuana, prostitution, lowering of the age of consent, child porn, and while on the subject it is dumb I need a passport to get into Canada, we didn't need one for over 200 years.

    Sometimes I get frustrated at things. But a group running around proclaiming "be as liberal as us or else" isn't true freedom. Is that really freedom?

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    Re: Anonymous Strikes: DDoS Attack against AU Gov't Websites -Protest of Net Censorsh

    Quote Originally Posted by beast View Post
    Sometimes I get frustrated at things. But a group running around proclaiming "be as liberal as us or else" isn't true freedom. Is that really freedom?
    As opposed to Far right republicans who basically say "Be as conservative as us, or else"

    Quote Originally Posted by beast View Post
    Don't get me wrong. I am very liberal. I hope for the legalisation of marijuana, prostitution, lowering of the age of consent, child porn, and while on the subject it is dumb I need a passport to get into Canada, we didn't need one for over 200 years.
    Wait... What?

    You support child porn and sex with underage minors if they consent to it (and that consent is most likely not informed consent, there is a difference)?

    No offense beast, but Child Porn and lowering the age of consent are two subjects, as a Liberal person myself, adamantly oppose for one reason: I have 4 nieces ages 1 year to 6 years.

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