ketaro

Today there were many peaceful picketings against Co$ worldwide. Raids were to take place in Japan, Australia, The United Kingdom, Denmark, France, Germany, Canada and in many cities of United States. The first raid started across Australia yesterday at 11 AM Australian time. Followed by today's protest in London, Denmark, France, New York, Detroit, Orlando, Ontario, etc.

What do you think about this worldwide protests against Co$, do you think that it will finally bring down Co$ to its knees? I personally think that its going to have some sort of impact on Co$, although given the fact that many celebrities are part of it they will fight back to stop anonymous from destroying them.

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tsurara

I would argue that promoting or celebrating an malicious (and illegal) act against anyone... much less one perpetrated anonymously toward a religious group that, for better or for worse, many people genuinely believe in and support is pretty ****ed up.

You wouldn't like it if a group or cause that you enjoyed or believed in was the victim of cyber attacks. Why the hell would you celebrate anyone else's misfortune?

"Heroes" don't generally feel the need to hide behind anonymity and brag about the cruel things they've done to others on the internet.

A "peaceful" protest doesn't involve Denial of Service attacks, prank calls and faxing death threats... nor is it generally perpetrated or documented "for the lulz"

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ketaro

lulz i agree with you. But in order to get noticed by Co$ they had to resort to those tactics. I personally don't agree much with anonymous methods of getting attention, but at least they are doing something good for the community for once.

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tsurara

That is, if you consider Scientology's right to free speech is a threat.

I don't.

I don't think they're going anything at all for the community besides being hypocritical. Scientology attempts to silence it's critics through legal action: so anonymous is going to protest by silencing Scientology through pranks, Denial of Service attacks and juvenile website edits?

How does that accomplish anything?

Scientologists has a right to be as crazy as they want to be. How is that a threat to the developed world as a whole? Personally, I think Christian and Islamic fundimentalists are just as insane and ~more~ of a drain on the rights of humanity: but if someone attacked them, everyone would clearly see it as religious persecution.

Unpopular opinions shouldn't be weeded out. They should be heard, processed and then ignored as the utter bullshit they are.

All this does is make Scientology look GOOD in comparison.

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ketaro

They harass their critics, they stalk them, they take pictures of them. They even hire private detectives to follow them everywhere just to silent them. What are they afraid of?

Anonymous is just doing pretty much what Co$ does to its critics. Its some sort of payback.



Co$ for many people out there is not considered a religion, but a dangerous cult that would do anything to keep expanding. They even infiltrated the IRS for their own gains.

If they would let people criticize their so called religion none of these would it be happening. It would be different.

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Legend

Well so far ketaro seems to have did his homework, so I have nothing much to add. For once I am glad this "group" Anonymous is doing something good for once. And how do I determine what is good? When something is done and I favor it. And no Christianity and all the others are not the same. They don't make you pay to move up, they don't intimidate. Last time I check I was free to choose whether I want to wake up to go to service every Sunday.

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tsurara

The Catholic church HAS made members pay for advancement, absolution, etc. It HAS extorted it's critics, murdered those it considered hethens, and has put people to death/imprisoned them for everything from witchcraft to heresy.

How do you think it became a major world religion? By sitting in church and being quiet and accepting of other faiths?

The Church continues to exert tremendous pressure on media groups, the press and politicians (through buyoffs, harrassment and intimidation).

The notion of a man walking on water or turning water to wine or someone making the universe in 7 days is no more ridiculous than the notion of alien spirits invading our bodies and requiring money and lie-detector tests to flush out that you may fight off the galactic warlord XENU.

The difference is this: it is now the year 2008. No one makes you believe what you believe. Scientologists aren't kidnapped, duct-taped to their chairs and tickled until they give the church money. Just like mormons aren't thrown over suited-young-men's shoulders and hauled off to compounds and never heard from again.

People have the right to make their own decisions about what they want to believe. Stamping out something you don't agree with because you think it's hurting the people who DO, isn't doing anyone any favors. If there are legitimate qualms against Scientology they need to be pursued in court and in the public sector by ex-members who have ACTUALLY been wronged by them.

Anon is just looking for something else to do while it's collectively living in it's mother's basement watching Lucky Star fansubs and eating 3 month-old cheesecurls.

A 16 year old hacking a website (an act of both harrassment and vandalization) accomplishes nothing but to give Scientology something LEGITIMATE to claim it's being pursecuted about. In a court of law: Scientology WOULD win this one, hands down. How is making them look "right" going to "stamp them off the face of the earth".

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Legend

Well Scientology did not come up suddenly they have been around for a few decades now. And if you really want to compare Scientology with other religions, then okay at least have Co$ come up with some fake proof. The Shroud of Turin fake or not is at least some sort of "proof". Now where is Xenu's cape? Anyways, don't take this as me supporting anonymous.

For now I'll consider this as a semi-worldwide fad, and wait a few weeks/months before I jump to conclusions.

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Arrianna

Fad or not it is despicable and they should be found and charged for any illegal activity they engage in. An organization dedicated to slamming someone for defending their own copyrighted material? Geez lets cyber spam the Anime companies for daring to demand their video's be removed from you tube. How dare they! Lets put them out of business so they can't do it again after all everyone knows that anime is a doorway to corrupting the minds of the poor people who choose to watch it! (sarcasm intended)

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Chiefblackhammer

I think this is sad; you don't have to agree with them, like them, be involved with them or pretend that they are "sane" in order to live your life devoid of them. So why attack them? Why go out of your way to harass and harm them when they really aren’t involved with you in anyway? Leave them alone and they don’t bother you, is that really that hard?

Frankly persecution has never done anything but make the persecuted stronger. Don’t believe me? Take Christianity, the Romans couldn’t silence them through use of the most horrible forms of torture they could think of (read Fox’s Book of Martyrs) and did it work? NO, it spread like wild fire. To the point that in 333 A.D. the Romans formed their own “Christian” church (Roman Catholics). Take the LDS they were nearly wiped out in their early days…how strong are they now? The list goes on, all that this will do is make their cause stronger and thus you have defeated your own goal. Not to mention put yourselves at risk for legal and criminal ramifications. And for what really? To harass someone who didn't do anything to you in the first place?

Dumb is all I can say.

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tsurara, here is my question for you. Why defined Scientology? So your not supporting anonymous, but what about the fact that Scientology has done many illegal activity and other countrys and they have been trying to get there people in the C.I.A and F.B.I. Some of there people have been found. Or the fact that most of the other major countrys have band Scientology form coming into there country. Scientology would not be in the USA right now if they didnt spend the mony to pay off and hire lawers to go to cort to make it real.
I dont like how anonymous is doing it that is why i'm not helping them right now. How about the poor people that was in Scientology then left. What do you think happen to them? Well some wanted to show others that Scientology is crap but they where told if they say anything they would die. Scientology done it before killed some one. All Scientology is another money grabbing company but they made it look like a religion

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