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    Re: The AO Presidential Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by psychical View Post
    Feisty fella, ain't ya? Hur hur hur.

    Anyways, you go first. You did post before I did, after all. Give me satisfying answers first -- that is, why Obama's better, why McCain's a dodo, why Palin's downright evil... otherwise we'll just be answering each other without you bothering to care what I just said, and vice versa. Cite sources, if you must.

    And you have your logic all wrong. Sure, the U.S. is mostly middle class. But it won't do anyone any good in the long run if they're kept in place by a tax roof. People will have less incentive to work more, and strive harder. Think about it. I mean, seriously, think. (Unless, of course, you have something to gain, since you yourself aren't inclined to work, but that's probably what I suspect. I might be wrong, so don't take me at my word here.)

    Again, just because McCain has a record of voting for whatever positions Bush might've held doesn't mean he'll become another Bush. In fact, he's been opposed to the war in Iraq. He's been in cahoots with more Dems than Bush ever has (he's a good friend of Joe Lieberman, for instance). He could've done more to support the Bush Administration, but here he falls short. In other words, I don't see the connection that he-supported-Bush-hence-he-must-be-Bush.

    Also, just because he's given us a plan of action doesn't mean he'll follow it to the letter; if the situation says that to do so would spell suicide, don't you suppose he might whip out a plan B somewhere? He's been a senator much longer than Obama has; I suppose he would. He has more sense, after all.

    Again, edumacate me. Seriously.

    P.S. Good idea. I'll give the Biden/Palin debate one more good look, but tell me where she went wrong.

    I said the Palin and Biden debate was the only thing shes ever done ok on.

    And im a roofer, i roof with a company on city buildings, so you might say im in the working class, and if you dont know anything about the roofing business, ill let you know its no easy task, most probably couldnt handle the long hours and heavy duty work.

    But thats besides the point, for one thing, the Bush tax cuts give those who earn over $1 million dollars a tax cut nearly 160 times greater than that received by middle-income Americans. At the same time, this administration has refused to tackle health care, education and housing in a manner that benefits the middle class. This is also a similar policy that McCain wants to use, and if it hasnt done a bit of good so far, then why again?

    What obama wants to do is provide $50 billion to jumpstart the economy and prevent 1 million Americans from losing their jobs, this is something America could use since the unemployment rate is going up past 8 years.

    I can go on all day with this, tell me what McCain can do that will help the entire American Economy thats better than what Obama wants?

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    Ok, I wasn't going to say anything but I have to actually put some facts out there because this back and forth is getting ridiculous.
    Quote Originally Posted by anime_being_god View Post
    On Mccain, check your sources, he has voted nearly the same on every issues as Bush.
    *cough* Bush doesn't vote, he's the president. McCain has voted 90% of the time with the Republican block on issues. He is however one of the few Republicans or Democrats who has crossed over on a regular basis to vote with the other party on issues he believes in or to constantly co-sponsor legislation with members of the other party. That is one of the reasons the Democrats tried to get him to change parties a few years ago. Why do you think when he began running on the Republican ticket so many were against him? They didn't want a pseudo-democrat.

    Quote Originally Posted by anime_being_god View Post
    And how does our economy run if the rich and forunate are the ones getting all the breaks? America is built from the middle class and the working class, without them our economy will drop. The policies McCain is doing is no different form the last 8 yrs of bush, i can say that all damn day because its true.
    Bzzt. You can say it all day and at the end of the day it is all rhetoric. The FACT is that the economy isn't determined by the President but the Congress. For the last two years that economy has been controlled by a Democratic majority. The lead up to the current crises has been in the making thanks to policies set in the last 30 years however. Now I can cast stones and point out that most of those policies were set by Democrats or that when individual Democrats and Republicans (including McCain) tried to fix these policies they were blocked by the Democratic party but the FACT is that Congressmen on both sides of the isle enabled the situation to continue for their own personal gain. Hence the reason that Congress has had the lowest approval rating in history in the last two years. At one point it was as low as 9% and the latest results I saw had it at 11%. Think about it.

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    And have you even watched the Palin debate or anyting, other than her lastest debate with biden, you can easily tell how out of clue she is. She was even made fun of on the saturday night show
    Yes I watched it and I saw her thrash Biden to the point he had to start resorting to lies (you can actually fact check them don't take my word for it) to try and make her look bad.

    Saturday Night Live makes fun of everyone, it means nothing. She thinks they are funny and had "a great time" appearing on it. Are you saying that SNL is your resource for making political voting choices now?

    Quote Originally Posted by anime_being_god View Post
    And check out what mccain wants to do with our health care, go ahead and read up, then read what obama's plan is. The tell me what do you think
    That Obama wants to institute socialist medical care and McCain wants to give citizens a tax break so they can afford to buy their own instead? Have you ever lived with socialist medical care? It sucks big time.

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    Im a pro obama voter because of his ideals, his realistic views on how the working class has been seeing things for years, he's not looking to make the rich richer, but to make the economy in whole better
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    And im a roofer, i roof with a company on city buildings, so you might say im in the working class, and if you dont know anything about the roofing business, ill let you know its no easy task, most probably couldnt handle the long hours and heavy duty work.
    No they couldn't, so you need to understand why Obama's idea just might lose you your job.
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    What obama wants to do is provide $50 billion to jumpstart the economy and prevent 1 million Americans from losing their jobs, this is something America could use since the unemployment rate is going up past 8 years.
    First question, where is that money supposed to come from? Obama wants to raise taxes on everyone making $250,000 gross annually. Sounds like a lot doesn't it? However chances are pretty good that one of those people employs you. In fact most small businesses fall into this category. Small businesses employ between 60-80% of the working class in the US. Now I know people who own small businesses and they put in 60 or more hours a week and just make enough to provide for their family. You start taxing them and they aren't going to take it out of their own pocket, they can't afford to. Instead they will be forced to cut back on things like employees and benefits.

    Result? Higher unemployment and loss in tax revenue due to less people working.

    Unemployment? The latest numbers as of September is that it is at 6.1%. Long term unemployment is .5% so most of those are considered transient unemployed or between jobs. That of course is an economic issue so if that concerns you then vote carefully for your Senator and Representative this year. Incidentally full employment is considered to be be somewhere between 2%-%7. Unemployment during the depression was nearly 25% if that puts it in perspective.



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    But thats besides the point, for one thing, the Bush tax cuts give those who earn over $1 million dollars a tax cut nearly 160 times greater than that received by middle-income Americans.
    Class warfare? Come on, we're better then that. It's the "American Dream" to work hard and make a lot of money. Now you want to be mad because someone succeeded? The current tax code prevents entrenched wealth. If someone has money it's because they earned it.

    But then I won't assume that you're the one engaging in class warfare since that particular quote is a cut and paste from Obama's personal website. Shall we do some fact checking however?

    So lets break that down for a minute. In 2007 the median personal income was around $40,000. So If we cut their taxes by say 1% then they would retain $400 more then before, right? Now if we give that same 1% cut to someone making $1,000,000 they should be retaining $10,000. Now if you divide 400 into 10,000 you get 25 and that is just for those making $1,000,000. What about those making $1,000,000,000? After all they are being lumped together so you need to average it out. That result would be 25,000 more. So even if we assume rightfully so that there are more millionaires then billionaires that still makes a number of more then 160x not that big a deal if they are given the same tax cuts as everyone else.

    And why shouldn't they have been? The top earning 25% of tax payers earned 67.5% of the wealth in the US but paid over 86% of that in taxes... under these Bush tax cuts you are complaining about, it was higher before. Think about that for a minute. They are paying 86% of the money they earn to the government. How would you feel if the government took 86 cents off every dollar you made? Moreover the top 1% (those making over just $364,657) of earners paid 39.4% of the total taxes, about the same amount as the bottom 95% of tax payers.


    Quote Originally Posted by anime_being_god View Post
    At the same time, this administration has refused to tackle health care, education and housing in a manner that benefits the middle class. This is also a similar policy that McCain wants to use, and if it hasnt done a bit of good so far, then why again?
    The middle class isn't supposed to need help. You're supposed to be making enough to support yourself. All this statement does is quantify accomplishments in such a way as to be able to discount what has actually been done.
    • President Bush has pushed for Health Care benefits above and beyond what has ever been offered before. He has even set in motion federal mental health care plans that would be implemented even into public schools.
    • Education? No-child-left-behind was his baby. Love it or hate it he was the first to actually insist on accountability in education.
    • Housing? The tax breaks he submitted resulted in more people owning their own homes then ever before. Granted that Congressional pressure resulted in a small percentage of people being given loans that they couldn't afford but those policies are the responsibility of the Congress who made them.

    Now I don't agree with many of these programs that President Bush has sponsored in his time but he still did it and I'll admit it. On the other hand the middle class by definition has jobs that enable them to afford their own health care, alternate schooling, and their own homes. Why do you need some president to give it to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by anime_being_god View Post
    I can go on all day with this, tell me what McCain can do that will help the entire American Economy thats better than what Obama wants?
    Put simply, higher taxes and socialistic programs shrink the economy as people who work are penalized and as incentives to earn your own way are replaced with doles and redistribution, whereas programs that reduce tax burdens and encourage competition in the private sector (such as medicine) result in higher tax revenues and economic growth.


    Now can I suggest you do some fact checking instead of just repeating the talking points of antagonistic media and Obama's political machine? Check both Obama and McCain on independent sources. You may be surprised.

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    Re: The AO Presidential Poll

    Again, McCain is not Bush. Flawed as he may be, he's not Bush. He might happen to agree with Bush at times, but that doesn't erase the fact that there exists some degree of animosity between the two.

    McCain's economic position can be found on his website, if you haven't looked into that yet. In fact, except for the $50 billion part, what you're describing sounds more like what McCain has in mind. As for the $50 billion you've just mentioned, let me look into that further.

    P.S. According to the U.S. Constitution, it is the President's duty to ratify legislation proposed by Congress. Therefore, it does matter what kind of President we'll be getting after all's said and done, after all. For all we care, he could be approving all the wrong bills and rejecting all the right ones.
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    Re: The AO Presidential Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by psychical View Post
    P.S. According to the U.S. Constitution, it is the President's duty to ratify legislation proposed by Congress. Therefore, it does matter what kind of President we'll be getting after all's said and done, after all. For all we care, he could be approving all the wrong bills and rejecting all the right ones.
    If he doesn't veto them they become law anyway after 10 days even if he doesn't sign them and most presidents don't veto most of them. You can count on one hand the number of vetoes Bush did in his first term.

    Yes it matters but more as a question of whether he will check the power of the congress or rubber stamp them. That is why traditionally we tend to have opposing parties running the executive branch vs the legislative. Right now the Legislature is Democratic.

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    Re: The AO Presidential Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by psychical View Post

    Ummm, no. That wasn't a rhetorical statement, I'm afraid. Just because I'm for McCain doesn't mean I can't be convinced otherwise, y'know. And even if I were to cling to my opinions even after I've been given the most sensible and persuasive of explanations, at least I'd know what the other side's all about. There's nothing wrong with seeing both sides of the debate. So don't you pull a fast one on all of us here and use the pretext of me asking "rhetorical questions". And please don't suppose I'm stupid; whether Obama has Arab relatives or not, that doesn't really matter -- what does matter is whether he would effectively set things straight as Commander-in-Chief.
    First of all, let's calm down. Not calling you stupid, nor am I flinging poop or trying to pull a fast one. As much as most of us don't like to admit, we are bias toward one party and follow it like people follow religion. That's how it is today. And I never did call you stupid by the way.

    As much as I'd like to discuss here the economic ramifications of Obama's proposed tax policies, that would be straying too far from the discussion. Suffice it for now to say that wealth redistribution boils down to bailing out those who can't (or WON'T) pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Think about this: wouldn't that discourage those who try to strike out on their own to live out the American Dream, and encourage those who subscribe to that whole notion of "victimhood" and "entitlement" by giving them free money? (In case you were wondering, no, that wasn't a rhetorical question, either.)
    Honestly how many people earn over 250k?? And since you, Arrianna, and ABG are arguing the facts side of thing if you allow me I'll take the opinions side of things. You want to talk about the American dream? I am an immigrant and been here for 20 years. WHen I got off the plane the flight attendant didn't hand everyone "an american dream". My family and I work our asses off to achieve what he have today. So it wasn't handed to us. And taking a quote from Russell Crowe in that boxing movie, it was along the lines that he said this country is great because it helps the needy and gives people opportunities.

    I mean, people make it sound like the administration is going to pocket all the tax money and redistributed to a line at the back of some truck. And I pray that of course once the taxes are raised that it is put to good use and used as promised by either candidate. Unfortunately, we dont have a good way to say "hey inner city child kid, you look like you don't have potential to amount to anything, so uh no money for you and your family."

    And just because McCain's old doesn't mean he can't lead; as far as I can tell, he doesn't have Alzheimer's, and he can't use a computer because of injuries sustained during torture as a POW (he can always delegate computer-related tasks to assistants). As for lifespan? Two words: modern medicine.
    I already said I have no issues with Senator McCain. Let that sink in. All those jokes about e-mails and internet I don't care, he got his cabinet and assistants to take care of those for him. One of my bigger concerns about him is his health. Compare President Bush's pictures when he got into office and after his first term. Black hair to white hair. Now I don't know if that's an image thing or cosmetic thing, but it would seem to me that being the leader of this country is high stress and takes a big toll on your body.

    On the side: Modern medicine is a joke. You have erectile dysfunction? Take viagra, but you might go blind. So let's give you a medicine for your eyes, your kidneys might go out.

    And you've just dug a deeper grave for youself by claiming that Palin "does not" have the capacity to lead the U.S. Please, pray tell, why. I mean, given her track record, she's had executive experience, unlike the two contending senators. She's been mayor of her small town, and more importantly, governor of a State. If that doesn't count as "experience", tell me what does. (In addition, I was rooting for Palin as VP since, well, one of the functions of a VP is to serve as Senate President. Wouldn't that be real change to see an executive, and not another legislator, in that position?)
    I mean honestly, how many people lives in the state of Alaska. There are probably less people than a regular day of students on my campus at SAN JOSE STATE UNIVERSITY! (shameless plug). For me I felt like McCain or McCain's party picked her out of knee jerk and to create buzz. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have heard that some Republican supports would rather see someone else. All the negative reports about her (if you wanna blame the "liberal" media) has not help Senator McCain.

    Again, enlighten me. I might not agree with you in the end, but at least I can see where you're coming from. Emphasis on "might".

    P.S. You've also used the word "facade"... Well, if Obama remains on the level of style and "facade", then we have here an empty suit. Substance is what really matters.
    I am going to say I don't have the capability to enlighten you nor do I have the right to. From what I read so far you seem like a very informed person. Ultimately that is all I hope for, even if you vote for the opposite party. Cuz we all have opinions and come to our own conclusions. But if you don't mind, there was a short writing in Time Magazine that I found was an interesting read. More than anything, it was the first page about his meeting with General Patreaus (the person leading the Iraq war right now) that I found was a good read.

    Hey i gotta go to lunch with some friends, so I'll give you the link later man.

    EDIT: Equinn, If you think our presidential race has nothing to do with the world, you have made a bigggggg mistake. Just look at our stock market and what it has done to the world.
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    Re: The AO Presidential Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Legend View Post
    First of all, let's calm down. Not calling you stupid, nor am I flinging poop or trying to pull a fast one. As much as most of us don't like to admit, we are bias toward one party and follow it like people follow religion. That's how it is today. And I never did call you stupid by the way.
    You implied it, though. Watch your language next time. But there's a difference between party affiliation and religion; one is based solely on knowledge of what is the case, and the other is like the first, only this time it involves faith, which I confess differs from person to person. In fact, until recently, I was on the Dems' side. I know Al Gore's flawed like everyone else, but it's my opinion that he was the better candidate back in 2000. And that's my personal opinion, and not a statement of fact. Please know the difference between the two.

    Honestly how many people earn over 250k?? And since you, Arrianna, and ABG are arguing the facts side of thing if you allow me I'll take the opinions side of things. You want to talk about the American dream? I am an immigrant and been here for 20 years. WHen I got off the plane the flight attendant didn't hand everyone "an american dream". My family and I work our asses off to achieve what he have today. So it wasn't handed to us. And taking a quote from Russell Crowe in that boxing movie, it was along the lines that he said this country is great because it helps the needy and gives people opportunities.
    It gives people opportunities, but I don't think there ever was a clause that precluded hardship. That's why everyone is entitled to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", and not happiness per se. The system does not bail people out, and I don't think it should. After all, to quote that modern philosopher, Kanye West, "That that don't kill me, can only make me stronger." One of the reasons behind America's strength is that her citizens have been through a lot since her inception. The American Revolution, the American Civil War, the Great Depression.

    I don't know about you, but from what I can tell, you're doing fine. And I don't think that's because the government has been giving you or your family some "free cash" to make all your financial woes go away. They could do that, but it'll solve little in the long run. Remember the Great Depression. Remember how everyone managed to pull through.

    I mean, people make it sound like the administration is going to pocket all the tax money and redistributed to a line at the back of some truck. And I pray that of course once the taxes are raised that it is put to good use and used as promised by either candidate. Unfortunately, we dont have a good way to say "hey inner city child kid, you look like you don't have potential to amount to anything, so uh no money for you and your family."
    There are other ways to help the needy. I propose that outsourcing be discouraged and jobs, even the most mundane and menial of jobs, be restored to hard-working American citizens who need them more, especially now. As the old proverb goes, "Give a man a fish..." I presume you know the rest.

    Furthermore, I'm confused. That $50 billion Obama has in mind, where does he intend to get all that money? And once he does manage to raise the amount, will he dedicate that to at least relieving some of the symptoms of the recession, or will he be giving away tax money to the U.N.? Enlighten me. Either way, this does not bode well for me. Nor you, deny it as much as you want.

    I already said I have no issues with Senator McCain. Let that sink in. All those jokes about e-mails and internet I don't care, he got his cabinet and assistants to take care of those for him. One of my bigger concerns about him is his health. Compare President Bush's pictures when he got into office and after his first term. Black hair to white hair. Now I don't know if that's an image thing or cosmetic thing, but it would seem to me that being the leader of this country is high stress and takes a big toll on your body.

    On the side: Modern medicine is a joke. You have erectile dysfunction? Take viagra, but you might go blind. So let's give you a medicine for your eyes, your kidneys might go out.
    Um, how cynical of you.

    I mean honestly, how many people lives in the state of Alaska. There are probably less people than a regular day of students on my campus at SAN JOSE STATE UNIVERSITY! (shameless plug). For me I felt like McCain or McCain's party picked her out of knee jerk and to create buzz. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have heard that some Republican supports would rather see someone else. All the negative reports about her (if you wanna blame the "liberal" media) has not help Senator McCain.
    How many people live in Alaska? You'll be surprised...

    Negative reports? From where? The New York Times? Or perhaps those you've been reading on liberal blogs, I suppose? Or impressions from that Palin SNL sketch? (Not the one with the real Palin, by the way.) Um, no.

    Yes, and I agree... Governor Bobby Jindal from Louisiana would've been a better VP candidate for the GOP. Palin, however, can mop the floor with Biden anytime.

    I am going to say I don't have the capability to enlighten you nor do I have the right to. From what I read so far you seem like a very informed person. Ultimately that is all I hope for, even if you vote for the opposite party. Cuz we all have opinions and come to our own conclusions. But if you don't mind, there was a short writing in Time Magazine that I found was an interesting read. More than anything, it was the first page about his meeting with General Patreaus (the person leading the Iraq war right now) that I found was a good read.

    Hey i gotta go to lunch with some friends, so I'll give you the link later man.
    Au contraire; I firmly believe that one's judgment, especially when it does matter, must be based on what actually is the case, and not on mere opinion or bias. I entreat you to dig a little deeper. I don't think I could persuade you otherwise, but at least you'll see what I'm arguing for.
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    Re: The AO Presidential Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Legend View Post
    Honestly how many people earn over 250k??
    Approximately four and a half million. It's 1.5% of a populace of 305,505,290. That's net though and the tax increase is being suggested on the gross, if you consider the gross its at least twice that. I've been told if your business makes $250 thousand a year gross your take home is approximately $50 thousand. Personal tax rates average at 40%. Now you tell me that is fair.

    Quote Originally Posted by Legend View Post
    You want to talk about the American dream? I am an immigrant and been here for 20 years. WHen I got off the plane the flight attendant didn't hand everyone "an american dream". My family and I work our asses off to achieve what he have today. So it wasn't handed to us.
    You just defined what it was. The opportunity to work hard and earn something. There are many countries where immigrants are never given that opportunity and others where even their own citizens don't have that opportunity unless they belong to the elite.

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    And taking a quote from Russell Crowe in that boxing movie, it was along the lines that he said this country is great because it helps the needy and gives people opportunities.
    Exactly. Help however doesn't mean doing it for them.

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    One of my bigger concerns about him is his health.
    Then here you go: Medical News: McCain's Doctors Say the State of the Candidate's Health Is Excellent
    "That was one of several medical facts revealed today during a teleconference with McCain's Mayo Clinic Arizona physicians -- an internist, a head-and-neck surgeon, and a dermatologist. The physicians called the 71-year-old McCain's health excellent and affirmed that he appeared sufficiently healthy to serve in the White House, despite his age and history of melanoma."

    Quote Originally Posted by Legend View Post
    I mean honestly, how many people lives in the state of Alaska. There are probably less people than a regular day of students on my campus at SAN JOSE STATE UNIVERSITY! (shameless plug).
    I am afraid your shameless plug didn't work. The state of Alaska has a populace of 670,053 and your schools enrollment is app 32,000, 21 times less. The populace of my home state is only 2,550,063 app 4 times that of Alaska.


    Quote Originally Posted by Legend View Post
    For me I felt like McCain or McCain's party picked her out of knee jerk and to create buzz. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have heard that some Republican supports would rather see someone else.
    Some would and others will only vote for him because of her. That is how it always is. From what I have seen and read he picked her because she has made a practice of going after corruption no matter what the party it came from (including her own). Since McCain has no problem "crossing the isle" to work with the other party to get what he wants done he respected that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Legend View Post
    EDIT: Equinn, If you think our presidential race has nothing to do with the world, you have made a bigggggg mistake. Just look at our stock market and what it has done to the world.
    Far to true. Still, it's our choice to make not the worlds and we need someone who will put our interests first just as every other country does.

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    Re: The AO Presidential Poll

    Now I have been staying out of this simply do to the fact that I have not had the time to really put anything else other then my one and only post here at the start of this thread, how ever I can now see I did not need to with Arrianna working her awesome powers common sense, logic and fact... I love you Arrianna... And I must give props to psychical.
    Unfortunately I can't really say much else other then basically repeating what Arrianna and Psychical have said already. To many people now a days listen to to many bias bull shit that it completely asquws fact from fiction. What I find funny, ironic, and at the same time disturbing is that many of those in AO who are voting for Obama have been basing their highly questionable "fact" on bias ties, as well as from sources who are notorious for false information and lack there of of any actual concrete evidence, as well as pointing fingers and making a big hubbub about shit that does not matter in the least other then to turn it into a slander campaign by making the other party look bad. Also As Arrianna has said, our current problem can be traced back to Democrats in Congress who have been running the Economy and any efforts to solve the problem was casted aside simply because of greed. Yes there have been Republicans involved as well, but they are not the ones controlling Congress, the Dems are, and are the ones who screwed the nation over and thus we are in the problem we are in now by allowing banks, not to mention forcing them to give bad lones. Which can be traced back to the Clinton administration.
    Take a look at what most of the Republicans have done with their own party, in that they actually started going through and rooting out corrupt members, which the Democrats have not.
    The new tax law in which those businesses who create a $250 thousand dollar yearly income is actually not a lot of money. To the common person that is a lot, how ever in reality a small mom and pops store who are barely getting by can easily create that kind of profit with in a year. The tax on the rich will not solve or help anything or any one do to the trickle down effect. (I avoid the word "theory" as it's a practice and not a theory) Going after and taxing big business will have repercussions as the business will raise taxes on their products to compensate for the loss which will affect the common person. So the whole tax on big business is nothing more of a "well if I am hurting your going to be hurting to" it just jellus mentality to make us feel better by forcing every one to feel like crap other then solving the problem.
    Also this will effect every one, we are all in a globol market in which now every one is suffering from, so it does to matter, and is in fact a huge deal on the new person who is going to run this showe in their part of the world as it will effect EVERY ONE so people EVERY WHERE should care.
    "MY DEAR... I GIVE YOU THE CAPELLAN CONFEDERATION"
    AND THUS THE WAR WAS STARTED NOT BY GUN SHOT BUT BY WEDDING BELLS

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