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    Re: The AO Presidential Poll

    ive got obama

    i believe that they have a more realistic idea. im not saying Mccain doesnt, but it makes more sence for me with obama.

    I also dont like bush, and Mccain has amitted that hes voted at least 90% of the time with bushes propsals. His health care plans will come back in taxes, While both canidates will sink money into iraq, Mccain will also put millions into boarder patrol, National protection, and Nasa.

    The big issue for me though is the economy, if more jobs dont open in the US, and quit being sent to other countries, it will fall. which wallstreet has predicited to happen when the new year comes, That 7 billion is nothing when the world economy is involved.

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    Re: The AO Presidential Poll

    The true problems started with rich people who no longer wanted to create businesses that actually produced anything in America. And I don't blame them because of Unions and all that stuff. This is partly why our markets are in shambles, because of people just dumping money into the market to inflate prices.

    Don't tell me this bullshit about the Dems making things this way. The GOP technically controlled the three ring circus that is our government during the first term and didn't get jack done. I know you can't blame GOP for all of our economic tough times, but hey the ball was in their court when it happen so tough ****.

    And don't just lay the tax stuff on Senator Obama, since Senator McCain proposed dropped in taxes. I don't even care who they drop taxes for, but just answer me where is the money going to come from. We are either going to borrow more money, or tax the middle class even more. Honestly, I'm not so sure which party will win right now. But looking at the Dow right now as I'm typing, it's gonna go into the red again before 1pm PST. The GOP will be looking closely at the market this week. If it ends in a bad week again, AND if all the young people would come out to vote like they say that would we will have an Obama administration.

    And I call bullshit to one more thing scourge. Re-distritbuting wealth?? What do you call the bailout?? Even though we know it's so those guys can continue to do their board meetings at a retreat living ravishly. These people go us working people in a chokehold. We don't give them the money and they'll probably cut you and me first and give it to someone who's willing to work for less. You think they'll lose sleep at night thinking oh boy will I lose money tomorrow?? NO, they will find ways to shaft you so they have more money to roll around in.

    And you know what I worry the most if Senator Obama get in? An assassination. You all know what I'm talking about.

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    700 Billon to be correct... Actually I think it was close to 800 billon the second time. The 800 billon was supposed to help stimulate the economy and at the very least to alleviate some of the pressure. There was a reason why those who supported the bill never called it a bail out. It was labeled that by the press and media which was completely stupid. Also what most people don't realize is why the bill failed the first time. The reason why it failed is not because Congress thought it wouldn’t work, but rather because there was no incentives or benefits for them and not for the good of the nation. The original bill was only 3 pages long stating how it should be spent; the second which was redone was 30 or so pages long. Most of those pagers were the benefits that the Dems and Reps who apposed the first bill now had their incentives that Congress wanted from the start and was the only reason why it passed the second time. The Dems need to do some weeding in their garden and get rid of those corrupt members. May be then Congress would function properly.

    Yes I know what your talking about with Obama being assassinated, and if he does become pres, I would hope to god no one make an attempt on his life. I don't hate the man, I hate his polocise.

    Now I never said that the Dems were the sole problem now did I? I am simply stated that most of their members are the ones who dug the hole which we are in now, admitenly with the help with some Reps.The people involed got to damn greedy.

    Also, yes I agree that there should be more jobs and buisnesses in the US so we can be compeditive in the world market, how ever, buisnesses were completely in their right to move over seas, they really didn't do anything illegal at all, they are out to make a profit. WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF CAPATOLISOM!! As much as it pissed me off to see many buisnesses doing this and I knew that it would hurt our economey, how ever, they were in the legal right to do so.

    Also I will have to call Bullshit on you Legond and here is why. You are complaining that it's the GOPS fault, well guess the **** what, ITS EVERY ONES FAULT, the Dems, the Reps, Buisnesses, and even the commen people. I dare you to ask to why that is. The Democratic party, a lot but not all, set this up from the start, like it or not, and we all went for the ride. Any changes that was layed out to provent this from happening was apposed, and who is running most of the show regardless of who was pres., the Dems were, those that got to greedy any way for there own good. They set it all up that in the end we would screw our selves.
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    Re: The AO Presidential Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Legend View Post
    Don't tell me this bullshit about the Dems making things this way. The GOP technically controlled the three ring circus that is our government during the first term and didn't get jack done. I know you can't blame GOP for all of our economic tough times, but hey the ball was in their court when it happen so tough ****.
    Which is why last election so many of them were voted out which then gave the Democrats control of the Senate and House. The Democrats also were in control for a good chunk of Clinton's term and back in the 70's when most of this started. Now tell me, if the Republican's don't have a majority in Congress now and Congress is in charge of economic legislation how did it happen on the Republican's watch?

    Yes, a number of Republicans abetted in it and by all means if you have a Republican Senator or Representative who voted for the legislation that lead to this then vote them out, just do the same for the Democrats who created it too.

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    And don't just lay the tax stuff on Senator Obama, since Senator McCain proposed dropped in taxes.
    How does tax breaks compare? Please explain where the problem is?

    Quote Originally Posted by Legend View Post
    I don't even care who they drop taxes for, but just answer me where is the money going to come from.
    If you drop taxes then tax revenues increase. The reason is that money is a circular rather then a finite resource. It is taxed each time it is used rather then just once when it is created. So the more it moves around the more is it taxed and the more is collected then put back into circulation to start everything over again.

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    What do you call the bailout??
    A non-issue since both candidates voted for it.

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    Re: The AO Presidential Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrianna View Post
    Ok, I wasn't going to say anything but I have to actually put some facts out there because this back and forth is getting ridiculous.
    *cough* Bush doesn't vote, he's the president. McCain has voted 90% of the time with the Republican block on issues. He is however one of the few Republicans or Democrats who has crossed over on a regular basis to vote with the other party on issues he believes in or to constantly co-sponsor legislation with members of the other party. That is one of the reasons the Democrats tried to get him to change parties a few years ago. Why do you think when he began running on the Republican ticket so many were against him? They didn't want a pseudo-democrat.

    Bzzt. You can say it all day and at the end of the day it is all rhetoric. The FACT is that the economy isn't determined by the President but the Congress. For the last two years that economy has been controlled by a Democratic majority. The lead up to the current crises has been in the making thanks to policies set in the last 30 years however. Now I can cast stones and point out that most of those policies were set by Democrats or that when individual Democrats and Republicans (including McCain) tried to fix these policies they were blocked by the Democratic party but the FACT is that Congressmen on both sides of the isle enabled the situation to continue for their own personal gain. Hence the reason that Congress has had the lowest approval rating in history in the last two years. At one point it was as low as 9% and the latest results I saw had it at 11%. Think about it.

    Yes I watched it and I saw her thrash Biden to the point he had to start resorting to lies (you can actually fact check them don't take my word for it) to try and make her look bad.

    Saturday Night Live makes fun of everyone, it means nothing. She thinks they are funny and had "a great time" appearing on it. Are you saying that SNL is your resource for making political voting choices now?

    That Obama wants to institute socialist medical care and McCain wants to give citizens a tax break so they can afford to buy their own instead? Have you ever lived with socialist medical care? It sucks big time.


    No they couldn't, so you need to understand why Obama's idea just might lose you your job.

    First question, where is that money supposed to come from? Obama wants to raise taxes on everyone making $250,000 gross annually. Sounds like a lot doesn't it? However chances are pretty good that one of those people employs you. In fact most small businesses fall into this category. Small businesses employ between 60-80% of the working class in the US. Now I know people who own small businesses and they put in 60 or more hours a week and just make enough to provide for their family. You start taxing them and they aren't going to take it out of their own pocket, they can't afford to. Instead they will be forced to cut back on things like employees and benefits.

    Result? Higher unemployment and loss in tax revenue due to less people working.

    Unemployment? The latest numbers as of September is that it is at 6.1%. Long term unemployment is .5% so most of those are considered transient unemployed or between jobs. That of course is an economic issue so if that concerns you then vote carefully for your Senator and Representative this year. Incidentally full employment is considered to be be somewhere between 2%-%7. Unemployment during the depression was nearly 25% if that puts it in perspective.




    Class warfare? Come on, we're better then that. It's the "American Dream" to work hard and make a lot of money. Now you want to be mad because someone succeeded? The current tax code prevents entrenched wealth. If someone has money it's because they earned it.

    But then I won't assume that you're the one engaging in class warfare since that particular quote is a cut and paste from Obama's personal website. Shall we do some fact checking however?

    So lets break that down for a minute. In 2007 the median personal income was around $40,000. So If we cut their taxes by say 1% then they would retain $400 more then before, right? Now if we give that same 1% cut to someone making $1,000,000 they should be retaining $10,000. Now if you divide 400 into 10,000 you get 25 and that is just for those making $1,000,000. What about those making $1,000,000,000? After all they are being lumped together so you need to average it out. That result would be 25,000 more. So even if we assume rightfully so that there are more millionaires then billionaires that still makes a number of more then 160x not that big a deal if they are given the same tax cuts as everyone else.

    And why shouldn't they have been? The top earning 25% of tax payers earned 67.5% of the wealth in the US but paid over 86% of that in taxes... under these Bush tax cuts you are complaining about, it was higher before. Think about that for a minute. They are paying 86% of the money they earn to the government. How would you feel if the government took 86 cents off every dollar you made? Moreover the top 1% (those making over just $364,657) of earners paid 39.4% of the total taxes, about the same amount as the bottom 95% of tax payers.


    The middle class isn't supposed to need help. You're supposed to be making enough to support yourself. All this statement does is quantify accomplishments in such a way as to be able to discount what has actually been done.
    • President Bush has pushed for Health Care benefits above and beyond what has ever been offered before. He has even set in motion federal mental health care plans that would be implemented even into public schools.
    • Education? No-child-left-behind was his baby. Love it or hate it he was the first to actually insist on accountability in education.
    • Housing? The tax breaks he submitted resulted in more people owning their own homes then ever before. Granted that Congressional pressure resulted in a small percentage of people being given loans that they couldn't afford but those policies are the responsibility of the Congress who made them.

    Now I don't agree with many of these programs that President Bush has sponsored in his time but he still did it and I'll admit it. On the other hand the middle class by definition has jobs that enable them to afford their own health care, alternate schooling, and their own homes. Why do you need some president to give it to you?


    Put simply, higher taxes and socialistic programs shrink the economy as people who work are penalized and as incentives to earn your own way are replaced with doles and redistribution, whereas programs that reduce tax burdens and encourage competition in the private sector (such as medicine) result in higher tax revenues and economic growth.


    Now can I suggest you do some fact checking instead of just repeating the talking points of antagonistic media and Obama's political machine? Check both Obama and McCain on independent sources. You may be surprised.

    Theres so many things i can disagree on this, but it would take all day, which is what i dont have.

    But in the time I do have, stopping thinking against black, and open your mind this time, and please watch all the debates again, maybe at least three times. And then talk to me. Half of the things you said where out commented by either obama or biden.

    Remember no qouting me till you watched the debates

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    Re: The AO Presidential Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by anime_being_god View Post
    Theres so many things i can disagree on this, but it would take all day, which is what i dont have.

    But in the time I do have, stopping thinking against black, and open your mind this time, and please watch all the debates again, maybe at least three times. And then talk to me. Half of the things you said where out commented by either obama or biden.

    Remember no qouting me till you watched the debates
    Tough.

    Until you actually address what has supposedly been "commented by" There is no need for me to "talk to you". It's not enough to listen to what they said you need to fact check them for accuracy, have you?

    Next time you insult me by insinuating I care about the color of Obama's skin when there is so many other things I can object to if desired I will cease to respond at all.

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    I actually did, may be not three times but I did watch it twice... It was puthetic, expecialy on Bidens part. Half the time I have caught him lie because my family is very into polotics and both those who are Dem and Rep new he was liying between his teeth as many people who actually fallow polotisions and make even miner notes know he is natoriouse for saying one thing then says another... Which is why not many people like him even many of his own party members. As for Obama, several times he has been caught liying and it is so blaightenly obvice to that it's almost a joke, either that or he really has no idea what his own party is up to.

    ABG, I can't believe you actually resorted to pulling the skin color card deffence. That is low.
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    Re: The AO Presidential Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrianna View Post
    Tough.

    Until you actually address what has supposedly been "commented by" There is no need for me to "talk to you". It's not enough to listen to what they said you need to fact check them for accuracy, have you?

    Next time you insult me by insinuating I care about the color of Obama's skin when there is so many other things I can object to if desired I will cease to respond at all.
    And it would be fine either way. dont care.

    People right now are being too baised on the situation for both mccain and obama, even on the media, msnbc is all about obama, and fox is all mccain, I think if your only watching one then you will become baised. So I watch both, also Ive watched the debates plenty of times, first one was always with my grand parents who talk about this stuff all the time..

    But ne wayz, no one is throwing out things that one candidate has over another, because both have the points. But the ones that matter now to help our country is obama.

    And btw watch the palin biden debate about the whol $250,000 and samll bussiness. Trust me, u'll be corrected.

    PS>> Scourage, its not resorting too, its a fact of reality, some people DO tend to lean toward color on voting for these things, i know many many people who are like that just in my area alone!

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