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Old Jan 12, 2008, 06:56 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Re: Can Humans Be Defined As Normal

I would also like to add that if you are someone who defines themselves as normal, then is another person who is slightly different you, yet also referrers to themselves a normal too. Are they wrong?? Referring to yourself as normal, a such general word, isn't going to mean you are normal in other people's opinion of you. We just can use the word in modern society.

As much as our school years were spent trying to act normal so we didn't get picked on was really only decided by the popular kids if they talked to you. Yet, now, my opinion of what I thought normal was is totally the opposite and I am glad it is. Because now I would rather throw that word out of the window if it is in this context.

The only time we could of used the word "normal" in this context would have been in old Victorian times. Where people were more superstitious than ever and never had to worry about social groups in society, they had the simple hierarchy and were clearly just told what was normal and abnormal. Now, we can't do that because everyone is fighting for individuality. Its merely impossible to use that word now, which is a good thing in my eye's.
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Old Jan 12, 2008, 06:18 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Re: Can Humans Be Defined As Normal

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Exactly. I know someone who--for the sake of privacy, will remain nameless--is the perfect example. He lives a pretty "normal" life, if you wanna look at it in the same way the media views the idea of "normality". But, he's got a mental disorder--post traumatic stress, to be exact. He's witnessed some pretty bad things as a child and something a couple of years back triggered it.

So, yeah. He had ONE episode and had to be treated for a short (VERY short) time. That doesn't make him any more or less normal than anybody else. Just unique.




Descended from Darkness just proves my point even further. Society is childish. It's like back in the day when people were ridiculed for "having cooties". It's the same thing. People with mental/learning disorders are usually treated like The People Under the Stairs, and for what? Because they're different? That's horse crap! EVERYBODY has some kind of mental disorder, some kind of learning disability. Arukih, your dad or mom, or whatever may be a psychologist/psychiatrist, but that doesn't mean that person gets to dictate who is normal and who isn't. Did you know that there are psychologists/psychiatrists that end up becoming mentally ill, due to the fact that they can solve everyone else's problems, but thier own?

Yet those people are normal? Heh. You find me one "normal" person, post a pic and a myspace link, and I'll prove you wrong. And I bet that every person who argues against you can too.
well im not trying to defend or make a statement to prove you how much society including psychologists/psychiatrists too define normal or not,

Im really sorry saying this but when some one has been living a "normal" life to society's view which means(work, family, hobbies and so on) but suddenly this person start to forget the names of his own family or start to say thing like "I have been followed" or doing different things which behavior is defined as a not rationable from the rest of his life before...well we cant say he acting normal cos he doesnt and if he is acting like that Im pretty sure something is worry with his brain...

to let something clear here Im not talking about choises, Im talking about sickness... if are these ppl able to think?? yes they are, but not enough to follow any step in society...Im not been mean but that is a fact...
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Old Jan 12, 2008, 09:08 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Re: Can Humans Be Defined As Normal

I say that we just call ourselves wierd as hell, honestly. We're so damn wierd that being wierd should be normal, dontcha think? *shrug* trying to call yourself "normal" while saying other ppl are "wierd" is wierder than wierd because all you're doing is being wrapped up in delusions while the ones that are "wierd" are laughing the whole time.

To all of you "normal" folk:We "wierdoes" are the true "normal". Join our freak show. It's only human, after all.....
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Old Jan 13, 2008, 06:39 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Re: Can Humans Be Defined As Normal

*sigh* once again my skill of being able to see both sides comes into play...

While I personally think it'll be impossible to write up what qualifies as a "normal" person, I can see what Arukih is getting at. When someone starts seeing things that aren't there, starts becoming paranoid despite no good reason, starts hurting themselves & other self destructive things, that's when they fall further away from the "Normal" label. The way I see it, Psychologists help those who can't get a firm enough grip on reality to help themselves or to even start hurting people around them, possibly even themselves. Those kind of people aren't able to be labeled "normal" at all. Then again, what's "normal" for one person might be completely absurd to another. Good luck to anyone taking on the impossible task of writing up what is "Normal".

Oh, sorry, you can write a list of what a "Normal" person is, as long as you aren't to specific. I'm guessing the best you'll get is "Breathing, eating, drinking, dumping waist body products...

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Old Jan 13, 2008, 07:46 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Re: Can Humans Be Defined As Normal

Well if u look up "normal" in the dictionary it says:

"1.Conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; regular; natural."

"2.Serving to a fix a standard."

"3.Of natural occurrence."

"4.Approximately average in any psychological trait, as intelligence, personality, or emotional adjustment."

"5.Free from any mental disorder, sane."

"6.Free from disease or malformation."

There's more, but it pertains ta mathmatics, so I put in only what I felt was relevant. I feel that "normal" is like these definitions, there r different "normals" jus' as there r different ppl. Normal can b put inta different contexts and b used ta define the average of what ever that average is. Normal is a flexable word that can b used ta discriminate, but isn' really discriminative itself. As far as ppl, there is no set standard of "normal", for each person is an individual, so thus is different. There may be a common behavior for an individual, but no individual that behaves "commonly," if that makes any sense. There may b a common behavior inna given society, but none in all societies.

"Normal" is a word that depends on the interpretation of the individual, a society, and the law. It's a word that adaptive and can be percieved differently by any who uses it. So "normal" does exist, it jus' exist differently for each different person.
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Old Jan 13, 2008, 09:19 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Re: Can Humans Be Defined As Normal

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*sigh* once again my skill of being able to see both sides comes into play...

While I personally think it'll be impossible to write up what qualifies as a "normal" person, I can see what Arukih is getting at. When someone starts seeing things that aren't there, starts becoming paranoid despite no good reason, starts hurting themselves & other self destructive things, that's when they fall further away from the "Normal" label. The way I see it, Psychologists help those who can't get a firm enough grip on reality to help themselves or to even start hurting people around them, possibly even themselves. Those kind of people aren't able to be labeled "normal" at all. Then again, what's "normal" for one person might be completely absurd to another. Good luck to anyone taking on the impossible task of writing up what is "Normal".

Oh, sorry, you can write a list of what a "Normal" person is, as long as you aren't to specific. I'm guessing the best you'll get is "Breathing, eating, drinking, dumping waist body products...

I think the main problem is that ppl dont like to be in some kind of lebal whatever it is...
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Old Jan 14, 2008, 10:57 AM   #29 (permalink)
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well im not trying to defend or make a statement to prove you how much society including psychologists/psychiatrists too define normal or not,

Im really sorry saying this but when some one has been living a "normal" life to society's view which means(work, family, hobbies and so on) but suddenly this person start to forget the names of his own family or start to say thing like "I have been followed" or doing different things which behavior is defined as a not rationable from the rest of his life before...well we cant say he acting normal cos he doesnt and if he is acting like that Im pretty sure something is worry with his brain...

to let something clear here Im not talking about choises, Im talking about sickness... if are these ppl able to think?? yes they are, but not enough to follow any step in society...Im not been mean but that is a fact...
When you say "sickness" you make it seem like people with mental disorders are dying or somethin'. >_< They may not be okay in the head, but sickness is a word used for lepers and prostitutes.

Joe Mage, thanks for the definitions. I guess Arukih can get a bit of cred for saying that normal = sane. But I still fail to believe that having a mental disorder defines someone as abnormal. That's what makes us unique. Our difference. Joe's other definition of normal is confoming to standards. Well not too many people really do that to the best of thier capabilities, so that's out the window. Hell, some people don't conform at all; like myself. (It's half the reason why I'm no longer in the Army.)

And I agree with Sazzy. Anyone who says thier normal isn't truly normal to anyone else. The other can say thier normal, but we can't say thier right or wrong. Normal is a state of mind. Normal is what society wants us to act/look like. But due to the fact that humans are like snowflakes, there is no such thing as normal.
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Old Jan 14, 2008, 11:45 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I was talking to a friend at a Tafe course one day about people in the mental home and he said that people are more "normal" than people who never enterd the ward. He also said that they were more "sane" not insane than people who haven't entered, beacuse of the time spent in there and the treatment they receive in the mental house.
...Your friend should talk to someone from a mental hospital that's not on medication or recieving counseling, then say how sane they are. I can say this because people said I wasn't "normal" and stuck me in one.

In terms of humans being defined as normal, I don't believe there is such a thing. Definition of normal is conforming to the standard or the common type,usual, not abnormal, regular, and or natural. Any "normal" person may be normal only according to their standards. The idea of "normal" varies from person to person as gwenibe, billum256, and other have stated. There is no one that is normal because we are all unique: one of a kind.
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Re: Can Humans Be Defined As Normal

Well to put this is mild as I can I think normal people just don't exist. Everyone in this world is far from normal as I seen from studying the Bible and this is not always a bad thing just rather that if every one was normal then we would not be as apealing to one another because we'd never do anything that would be out-side of normal and there-for interesting. So the moral of my answer is no i do not think anyone alive is normal but we are all unique.
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Re: Can Humans Be Defined As Normal

Of course we can't state who is normal and who is not... We are all different. And we are all a little bit crazy in some way, things that might seem normal to one might seem totaly freaking out to someone else.

For example, many people say that I need serious psychologist help, because I am so emotional (ussually those things are said to offent me), but I know I am completely ok and that it is just the way I deal with things- I just let them out immediatelly and am ok again in like 10 minutes (I sometimes feel very ashamed though ).

And can you immagine how normal it seems to a hard drinker to drink? My boyfriend kept saying: "What fun is there if you don't drink!?" But then again- it really didn't bother him, he enjoyed being drunk, so... can I say it's a problem? No. It might have been a problem to me but it's normal for him untill it doesn't bother him.

So yea... we are all crazy and yet normal- it all depends on from what point your viewing it...

The opinions on what is normal are changing all the time. For example, just a few decades ago it was completely paranormal to have sex before marriage, or for a woman to work. Just a few years ago it would be unbelievable that a woman is a president.
I mean there was a time when they would burn me on a bonefire because I have a dark spots around my eyes!!!

However, some ideas of what is normal ARE needed. Otherways we would live in quite a crazy world. Murder, stealing, vanadalazing (and so on) are not things that "normal" people should do... That should be stated just to keep this world alife!!!
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When you say "sickness" you make it seem like people with mental disorders are dying or somethin'. >_< They may not be okay in the head, but sickness is a word used for lepers and prostitutes.

Joe Mage, thanks for the definitions. I guess Arukih can get a bit of cred for saying that normal = sane. But I still fail to believe that having a mental disorder defines someone as abnormal. That's what makes us unique. Our difference. Joe's other definition of normal is confoming to standards. Well not too many people really do that to the best of thier capabilities, so that's out the window. Hell, some people don't conform at all; like myself. (It's half the reason why I'm no longer in the Army.)

And I agree with Sazzy. Anyone who says thier normal isn't truly normal to anyone else. The other can say thier normal, but we can't say thier right or wrong. Normal is a state of mind. Normal is what society wants us to act/look like. But due to the fact that humans are like snowflakes, there is no such thing as normal.
It isn' that there is no such thing as "normal," it's jus' that "normal" is how one percieves it. What may be normal ta u, may not be normal ta some1 else; what may be normal (meanin' a set standard of habits, behaviors, etc.) for society, may not b normal for u. Like I said "normal" is an adaptive word which could b used ta describe the "common" behavior of a person or society and doesn' necessarily mean "conformin'" ta a standard. U said it urself, "normal is a state of mind," it is also a state of being for one's self or for a society. It's like this; 10 friends go to the movies every saturday, this is a routine behavior for them. Now lets say that one of them doesn' show up, what's the first reaction? Or a man, whose never been late nor missed a day, suddenly doesn' show up for work, wouldn' his co-workers find that odd? Most would mark these "incidents" as "unusual" or not "normal" for these ppl, jus' as if there were a common, average, standard behavior within a society; most would call that the "normal" behavior for that particular society. Normal isn', necessarily, 'bout conformin' ta common behavior, it's 'bout the existence of a routine behavior within a society, or the routine behavior of an individual. This is why I believe that "normal" is merely based upon one's own perception.
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