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    Cool Can we use Non-Violence to destroy terrorism?

    Lately I've been thinking about this whole situation with American troops over in the Middle East doing what they can to try and help things out ( troops including my brother in fact )

    But I dont really know what they're doing (obviously using violence) for the situation is the best option available.

    My prime example of course would have to be Gandhi, he was a firm believer in nonviolence and he helped set in motion the Indian Independence Movement.
    I believe that with violence, you only creating more of what you've just destroyed, hatred builds off violence toward those you've come to love, so the only option people consider is promoting more violence back, the whole concept of war--

    If terrorists and other Countries learn this lesson, the world would be a better place..

    But how do you feel on this subject, do you think Americans and other countries can fix the terrorist problems the world have and with each other by using more non-violent tactics??

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    Re: Can we use Non-Violence to destroy terrorism?

    Unfortunatly using non-vilolance isant an option with there terrorists as they see the western civilization, not just the US, as people who should all be killed because we are infidells and that they are sent to kill us because it is Allas will.
    They also hate us for what we stand for, which is freedome of speech and tolerance of other people. They hate the concept of allowing other religions to exists and be practiced, they hate the fact that we allow homosexuals to be treated as equal, and they also hate the fact that we believe women should have a voice, freedomes, and are equal to men.
    You can't negosiat with these people, even when they say they promess and agree, this is do to the fact that in Islam, its a sin to lie to another muslom but perfectly fine to lie to an infidell.
    They also say that this will only end when all of the people of the world fallow Islam as its a sin to kill another muslom, how ever we all know that a bunch of bull sense they constantly try and kill each other.

    So no, you can't fight these people with non-violant methods.
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    Re: Can we use Non-Violence to destroy terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scourge View Post
    Unfortunatly using non-vilolance isant an option with there terrorists as they see the western civilization, not just the US, as people who should all be killed because we are infidells and that they are sent to kill us because it is Allas will.
    They also hate us for what we stand for, which is freedome of speech and tolerance of other people. They hate the concept of allowing other religions to exists and be practiced, they hate the fact that we allow homosexuals to be treated as equal, and they also hate the fact that we believe women should have a voice, freedomes, and are equal to men.
    You can't negosiat with these people, even when they say they promess and agree, this is do to the fact that in Islam, its a sin to lie to another muslom but perfectly fine to lie to an infidell.
    They also say that this will only end when all of the people of the world fallow Islam as its a sin to kill another muslom, how ever we all know that a bunch of bull sense they constantly try and kill each other.

    So no, you can't fight these people with non-violant methods.
    So then what's the solution?
    To win this kind of war, a more patient approach is required. The best option is to rob terrorists of their local base of support by vastly improving conditions--social, economic, and political, this can be a non violent tactic..
    without which they cannot establish sanctuaries, recruit locals to their cause, and launch cross-border attacks...only thing war leads to is more war in the future, more violence to come

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    Re: Can we use Non-Violence to destroy terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by anime_being_god View Post
    So then what's the solution?
    To win this kind of war, a more patient approach is required. The best option is to rob terrorists of their local base of support by vastly improving conditions--social, economic, and political, this can be a non violent tactic..
    without which they cannot establish sanctuaries, recruit locals to their cause, and launch cross-border attacks...only thing war leads to is more war in the future, more violence to come
    Good point, but how do you stop them from blowing up the infastructure, how do you stop them from blowing up schools to educate the people that just because some one is not islomic... ext... doesnt mean they are evil?
    How do you provent them from becoming to big and powerfull where they can bully the populace around? How do you stop them from killing civilian workers or kidnapping and torturing them?
    The only real answer is to go after them. Also, the people in the area are old school hard core style when it comes to their faith and such so it is VERY difficult to persway people. Also know that there are small villages dotted every where, where it has not changed sence Jesus was alive. This is how ingrained their old ways are into the people there. Not much has changed sence then or their way of thinking. So terrorists can use these areas as safe havens.
    Fortunatly how ever, many of the people in Afganistan have begun to fight along side UN forcess, or provide intellagence as they are sick of the terrorists. Unfortunatly they do not have the means to fight them alone, and they want the US to help them, because with out some kind of support, they will be killed.
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    Re: Can we use Non-Violence to destroy terrorism?

    Well yes non-violence can work. Take Afghanistan for instance. We should have just let the red army take it. Would a soviet occupied Afghanistan be as bitter towards America as one suffering from an oppressive regime set up by Americans. We slept with the devil to kill 15000 soviets. I say we should have just left the USSR to eat that country, but no, we just had to fight. The USSR collapsed on itself without any violence needed.

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    Re: Can we use Non-Violence to destroy terrorism?

    Grumble Grumble Grumble

    There is one case where a terrorist group with local popular support was pacified, and that would be the IRA in Northern Ireland. With the eventual integration into the European economic community, it simply became unprofitable and against their best interests for the locales, and the cross-border support in Ireland to continue supporting the terrorists. But this took decades of military occupation by the British Army to accomplish...
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    Re: Can we use Non-Violence to destroy terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by beast View Post
    Well yes non-violence can work. Take Afghanistan for instance. We should have just let the red army take it. Would a soviet occupied Afghanistan be as bitter towards America as one suffering from an oppressive regime set up by Americans. We slept with the devil to kill 15000 soviets. I say we should have just left the USSR to eat that country, but no, we just had to fight. The USSR collapsed on itself without any violence needed.
    Its a damn if you do and damned if you don't situation, they would have hateded us either way, either by getting involved like we did, or if we rejected their request for help.
    One of the big reason why Osama is after us is because we stole his thunder. As we know, he was exiled from Iran. Once the USSR invaided he saw this as an opertunity for him self to return and look like a hero. The Afganistan Gov. and people did not want his help for fear of him becoming to strong and possibly take over Afganistan which is why they looked to us and other UN countries for support.

    Yes Len, that is true, but as you said before, it took decades. Not to mention the IRA mentality are completely different then Alquida and the Taliban and they are fighting for different reasons.
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    Re: Can we use Non-Violence to destroy terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scourge View Post
    Good point, but how do you stop them from blowing up the infastructure, how do you stop them from blowing up schools to educate the people that just because some one is not islomic... ext... doesnt mean they are evil?
    How do you provent them from becoming to big and powerfull where they can bully the populace around? How do you stop them from killing civilian workers or kidnapping and torturing them?
    The only real answer is to go after them. Also, the people in the area are old school hard core style when it comes to their faith and such so it is VERY difficult to persway people. Also know that there are small villages dotted every where, where it has not changed sence Jesus was alive. This is how ingrained their old ways are into the people there. Not much has changed sence then or their way of thinking. So terrorists can use these areas as safe havens.
    Fortunatly how ever, many of the people in Afganistan have begun to fight along side UN forcess, or provide intellagence as they are sick of the terrorists. Unfortunatly they do not have the means to fight them alone, and they want the US to help them, because with out some kind of support, they will be killed.
    Well if not non-violence then are full -blown strikes really the only other option?

    The best strategy for the state (US) is not to retaliate with military force--whether limited surgical strikes or a full-blown invasion of ground and air forces. A heavy-handed military response is just what the terrorist are hoping for, as it keeps their cause in the spotlight and turns locals against the US.

    But this is still using violence which in turn will allow more innocent lives lost on top of the danger of sparking a war later in years on the same cause. The threat of a nuclear war on heightens when such battles are continuously fought, which is exactly opposite of what we want to happen--so i still say a more patient approach is required.

    Yes, it may take 10 years, but the main issue is the lack of understanding for each other and thus creating these kinds of problems, goal is to gain more allies and limit the number of enemies through the means of peace and treaty, this will eliminate any future wars with that country

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