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Old Oct 28, 2006, 05:09 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Change the Age to Drive from 16 to 18

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Sorry Arri, but you can't get away that easily. LINKS PLEASE!!!
Well, here's one on teenage driving and the risks. Q&As: Teenagers: General
Here's a news article. The right driving age - The Boston Globe
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Sixteen-year-old drivers crash at three times the rate of novice 17-year-old drivers, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
And a nice article that shows some statistics. DRIVING
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Rate of Car Crash Deaths by Age of Driver: 1997
Age of Driver / Deaths per 100,000 Drivers
16-20 / 61.33
21-24 / 46.35
25-34 / 32.90
35-44 / 26.52
45-54 / 23.32
55-64 / 21.55
65-69 / 20.57
over 69 / 28.08
I knew about the drop at 21 because car insurence companies will give you a great rate if you wait to get your liscence at 21 because if it.
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Old Oct 28, 2006, 05:59 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Change the Age to Drive from 16 to 18

To many teenagers lifes are being destroy because of one stupid mistake or one act of trying to be "cool" infront of friends - or maybe just inexperiance?

Four 17 yr olds were killed in New South Wales Australia a few days ago, apparently speed was the main reason, though I heard that it might have been because of a wet, windy road aswell. The driver survived. When he gained consiousness, all he could think of was why he hadn't died as well.

His life is destroyed, the families lives are destroyed, friends aswell have been affected and think about the people who were first on the scene the ambulance and police their lives have been affected aswell - they have probably seen heaps of those types of accident. I don't want to even imagine how horrific that must be.

In my school they educated people. We had this one paraplegic guy come in and talk to us about safe driving - he himself was paraplegic because he decided to get into a car with a drunk young driver. But he said exaclty what I think

" No matter how many times I talk to students about safe driving they are still out there killing themselves on the road"

They also showed us pretty graphic videos of how it destroys lives

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but why punish all teens for some stupid wreckless ones? not all teens drive like morons.
Well if they need to punish every one to save a few lives so be it.
and remember it's not the fact that teens drive like morons ( though some do). Some times it's because of poor inexperiance.

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i think they should raise the age to 18. but i think we should keep the drivers permit age at 16. if you just raise the age limit for everything up to 18 then we still will have inexpirienced drivers on the road. theyll jsut be older. i think that if we keep it so they have to have an adult with a full license for 2 more years they will gain more expirience but less accidents. this should keep everyone satisfied.
I was going to say exactly this. In Aust (some places are different though) you get your learners at 16 and a half and you can get you full liscence at 17 - they only need 6 months!?! Learners have to have an experianced driver with them.

I say get there learners at 16 and keep them until they turn 18 - then they can go for their liscence. They can gain 2 years of driver experiance with some one in the car - true it might not give them the whole experiance, but it'a better than having 17 year olds going around killing themselves, they are also a bit more mature at 18 - well some anyway

sorry about the long post ><
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Old Oct 28, 2006, 06:34 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Re: Change the Age to Drive from 16 to 18

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Rate of Car Crash Deaths by Age of Driver: 1997
Age of Driver / Deaths per 100,000 Drivers
16-20 / 61.33
21-24 / 46.35
25-34 / 32.90
35-44 / 26.52
45-54 / 23.32
55-64 / 21.55
65-69 / 20.57
over 69 / 28.08
Hmm, i take this study with a grain of salt. Over 69 only 28.08? Yeah right!! So an old fart drives better than the 25-35. *Rolls eyes* I bet it says women are better drivers?

I say if they are going to let these old ppl drive, the 16 year old should get to too. Ive see far more bad drivers that were elderly than kids. Some should not be on the road.


Im a big believer in that we should have to take the drivers test again on a every 5 years basis.
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Old Oct 28, 2006, 06:42 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Re: Change the Age to Drive from 16 to 18

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i say they should keep the driving age the way it is becasue for one it is messing it up for the upcoming drivers next year(damn them) and two not all 16n year olds go crazy behind the wheel so why punish them all?
Well if they need to punish every one to save a few lives so be it.
and remember it's not the fact that teens drive like morons ( though some do). Some times it's because of poor inexperiance.
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but why punish all teens for some stupid wreckless ones? not all teens drive like morons.

i agree with gwenibe
in order to save lives some people are not gonna get to drive when they want
its not punishing the others.
and truth is most drivers at the age of 16 arent really good drivers.
the good ones happen to be those that have been illegally driving in some way or another for longer than just 6 months with an adult
theyve had practice.
this is why i think they raise the full license age to 18 but keep the permit at 16
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Old Oct 28, 2006, 07:00 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Change the Age to Drive from 16 to 18

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Hmm, i take this study with a grain of salt. Over 69 only 28.08? Yeah right!! So an old fart drives better than the 25-35. *Rolls eyes*
Not better so much as less. Lots of statistics on that. If you take the time to notice you can see that the numbers, even with the decrease in driving, start going up at that point. Those who do drive have about the same percentage of accidents as teenagers (based on driving hours rather then percentage of accidents yearly) which is why some states are looking at implimenting testing every 5 years after a certain age.

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I bet it says women are better drivers?
Well, lets see...

Gender and Driving
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The fatal collision rate by male drivers in 1975 was 64 accidents per 100,000 licensed drivers and then 43 accidents per 100,000 licensed drivers in 1998.

The fatal collision rate for female drivers in 1975 was 16 accidents per 100,000 licensed drivers. The rate remained the same rate in 1998.
Looks that way to me. That's why they pay less for drivers insurance. It's all about the money.
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Old Oct 28, 2006, 07:03 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: Change the Age to Drive from 16 to 18

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Well, lets see...

Gender and Driving

Looks that way to me. That's why they pay less for drivers insurance. It's all about the money.
that study says it was conducted in 1975
its now 2006 30 years later
i think that those statistics would have changed
but whether or not women are better drivers i dont think there should be some difference between genders as to when they should get their license
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Old Oct 28, 2006, 07:11 PM   #18 (permalink)
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that study says it was conducted in 1975
its now 2006 30 years later
i think that those statistics would have changed
but whether or not women are better drivers i dont think there should be some difference between genders as to when they should get their license
Try reading it closer. It compared the '75 numbers with the ones in '98.

But if you want insurences take on it: The Battle of the Sexes
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Guys, think your driving skills are exceptionally better then your female counterparts? Think again! According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's 2004 Early Edition Report, male drivers were involved in 27,000 more fatal accidents, 432,000 more injury crashes and 1,369,000 more property-damaged incidents than female drivers - which inevitably equated to 1,828,000 more insurance claims in a single a year. Sorry guys, the ladies win.

And it's not just male drivers between the ages of 18-24 that are making these insurance claims - it's men of all ages.
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Re: Change the Age to Drive from 16 to 18

I actually had to write an essay on this for school. but sadly I can't remember my points. Although I can say I wouldn't want it to change from 16 to 18. For the following reasons:
at that age (16) I know that I for one am extremely busy and it's too difficult for my mom to have to drive me to and from all the places I have to go. For example being very involved in my school I have to stay after at least twice a week. But my mom works so she has to make arrangements to pick me up. And I'm invovled in other things.
Also for teens out there that have jobs it would be almost impossible to get one at 16 if they weren't able to drive. I know quite a few teens who have to work to help support themselves or their family.
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Re: Change the Age to Drive from 16 to 18

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Also for teens out there that have jobs it would be almost impossible to get one at 16 if they weren't able to drive. I know quite a few teens who have to work to help support themselves or their family.
that may be true but alot of my friends for reasons of their own could not get a car to drive
they used their bikes
one of them was over 10 miles away from his work
and he still made it there every day with his bike
all it takes is determination
and it does lower pollution
and in the long run saves you money
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Re: Change the Age to Drive from 16 to 18

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Driving is a privilege not a right.

And Im fine with sixteen year olds driving, but unfortunately they are not following the provisions of having an adult accompany. And I don't know about decreasing accidents or not, but most of the time accident happens after 1 year of someone starting to drive. Why? They think by one year they know it all and have seen everything.
I have to agree with pyoro-pyoro on that because there are more teen crash and adult crash every day. Mostly there are a lot of crazy people on the roads these. Mostly they should choose people who are smart and have honor to do it
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that may be true but alot of my friends for reasons of their own could not get a car to drive
they used their bikes
one of them was over 10 miles away from his work
and he still made it there every day with his bike
all it takes is determination
and it does lower pollution
and in the long run saves you money
I don't know anyone personally in my city who rides a bike to work. Most of my friends who do work but don't have a vehicle or license catch a ride with their driving friends.
Which still leads to pollution because that person driving is just going to be doing the driving the other person would normally be doing and the person who's catching a ride is probably paying the person to drive them so they're not saving money.
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