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    Re: changing the pledge of alligance

    I don't believe the pledge should be changed because I think it be simplier (and faster) to just omit any words that don't appeal to you, or not say it at all.
    The problem I've found with that though is when people use to omit the pledge at school, they'd continue to sit down and sveral teachers and administrators didn't appreciate that ^^; I'm sure it's not like that everywhere, so I don't think it's such a big problem that couldn't be delt with some sort of compromise
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    Re: changing the pledge of alligance

    This kinda stuff doesnt surprise me, seeing that this PC crap is running rampent these days. I bet ya i know who got the supreme court going on this? The ACLU!!

    Im with the ppl that say, "If you dont want to say it, sit your butt down".

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    Re: changing the pledge of alligance

    I mean we got the 10 commandments hanging up somewhere in Washington D.C
    No, they are not 'somewhere' in Washington D.C. They are in a very specific place that I know of. I'm sure there are more places in D.C. but the are, for a fact, engraved into the stonework of the U.S. Supreme Court. Yes, the same body that has forbidden the display of the 10 commandments countless times has them on permanent display as part of their building.

    but then again, I don't see the entire point of the pledge...
    The pledge is to show our support and loyalty to our country and the principles which is was founded on. America is in a unique position compared to most other countries. We do not have thousands of years of history to fall back on. We don't count our countries lineage the same way as those in Europe do. We are not proud of being 'English" or "French" as they are. They take pride in their country and the history that stands behind it.

    American's on the other hand take pride in America as an idea! Our country is founded on the idea that all men are created equal and that freedom should be the governing force of the land. I'm not saying other countries are not free or don't uphold freedom, but it is not the sole unifying force of their country. Rather your Black, white, mexican, indain, native american, chinese, or Canadian...once you have your american Citizenship...your
    American. It's the enjoyment and ideas that unite you, not the common heritage and history of the land.

    The pledge and the flag are the representation of that. That's what makes it such a big deal and it's why people become so passionate about the pledge. The pledge reflects what standards and ideas America is based on. Religious folks want to keep "under God" in the pledge because it represents that the country reconginzes that God exists in some way - even if there is no state religion. Atheists want it removed because it is one more step closer to removing all references of God from the public...

    It's not a battle of words, it's a battle of ideas. The pledge is just a representation of those ideas.

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    Re: changing the pledge of alligance

    If they change the word "under god" from the pled of alliange then what word will replace "under god"?

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    Re: changing the pledge of alligance

    Quote Originally Posted by ketaro View Post
    If they change the word "under god" from the pled of alliange then what word will replace "under god"?
    They don't want to replace the words "under God" with anything. They want them removed.

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    Re: changing the pledge of alligance

    I honestly don't think that "under god" in the pledge of allegiance is offensive so I don't think it should be taken out. Yes, I know that there are people who don't believe in God but shouldn't we also respect the beliefs of religious people. If we take out all the things that define Christianity and other religions then aren't we indirectly insulting people who do believe in God? I think we should have the symbols of our religion out there and have it known that if you are athiest or a believer in god we will respect that as Americans.

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    Re: changing the pledge of alligance

    I am agnostic. So I dont really like the idea of religion being involved with government. However, I do know that the people who founded our country deeply believed in God and religion, and brought some of the morals of religion with them to make our amazing constitution. I dont think the pledge should change, but I have heard that the one we know today is not the original. Does anyone know if this is true

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    Re: changing the pledge of alligance

    That is true as was already posted here.
    The symbolism behind the change is here.
    Wikipedia for a complete article is here.
    And from the Hall of Heroes here.


    To summerize though; the pledge was written in 1892 as part of the celebration of the 400th year since Columbus discovered America and was used in schools as part of the observation of Columbus Day. As it had only been 30 years since the the Civil War it was considered a call for National Unity. It was made an official pledge on June 22, 1942, after being recited unofficially in schools for years, when Congress added it to the United States Flag Code. On April 22, 1951 the Knights of Columbus in New York City who felt the pledge was incomplete added "under God" from Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address to their recital of the pledge in their meetings. It spread from there nationwide and was brought to the President, Vice President, and Speakers attention. Then on June 14 (Flag Day) 1954 President Dwight D. Eisenhower made the change permanant.

    In all there were 3 changes after publishing and one before.

    The last change based on the Gettysburg address comes from this:
    It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
    Rather appropriate considering that the pledge itself was a call for essentially the same thing.

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