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Old Aug 13, 2007, 10:00 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Child Obesity = Child Abuse?

Speaking from a fat kids POV. I disagree.

At home I would just walk into the kitchen unnoticed and stand at the refridgerator and eat. My parents would be asleep or busy. My mother was\is a health nut. Always had healthy food, she didn't buy sugary things. Always whole grain bread. But I over ate that stuff too, over eating ANYTHING will result in obesity.

At school other kids would give me food they did not want.

My friends parents? They knew I was fat (it was clear), they also thought of me as a cute\good kid... being as they knew food made me "happy" they would offer me goodies. Even though my parents didn't approve. Its extremely hard for a parent to dictate what someone else does in thier home.

From a parents POV. There are some things you just can't control. You really can't contol another human being.. period. And to TRY to do so, can be abusive. All you can do is encourage people to do right, and set a good example.
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Old Aug 13, 2007, 11:36 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Talking Re: Child Obesity = Child Abuse?

I really think it's a contribution of a lot of things.
It's more than video games, cause it it was the video games then children in Japan (the video game paradise) would be really huge. So it's not video games alone, here are the contributing factors.

1. Laziness
This occurs whenever we want to set down and play video games, sit and watch TV or yap on the phone. When they come home from school, most ride the bus or they get a ride..no one ever walks or bikes anymore.

2.Habits
A lot of what you do at home will reflect on you /your parents/ your family.
And if you just let this kid eat whatever he wants to eat, or not tell them to get a gym subscription...then thats pretty bad. Most children that are obese have obese parents (or sympathetic) themselves.

3.Diet
If you take a good look at the back of the nutrition boxes on the back of whatever you buy, they state that you should eat a specific serving.
Most people never do..(including myself) but look a little closer at the ingredients...you'll find "high fructose corn syrup" and "partially hydrogenated vegetable oil". Those are alien substances to the human body...your body doesn't know what to do with them(they have no nutritional value)...and so the sit in your body...obesity is linked directly to this studies have suggested. And when the 2nd factor takes a part in this, then
you just get fat...candies and other things used to be made with real stuff.
but changes in production found "cheaper substances".
Yep...says so in "the abs diet".


and 4. Porking
All kids eat these days is junk food, no veggies no fruits...
not that it's a bad thing but...c'mon the food triangle don't exsist for nothing.
most obese children see something and want it...the love to eat, thats what they do (seen lots of documentaries) as unhealthy as it is..they just pork themselves that way....and combined with no excersize...then look what you get...cause you can walk or bike...thats easy..you don't have to get a bowflex...so get that ass up!!
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Old Aug 13, 2007, 11:42 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Re: Child Obesity = Child Abuse?

ok im NOT obes but i am heay .....
and i dont belive its child abuse with me .... being a bit over weght
but like getting bullyed or anything like that can make a child obes or even anarxic.... no one knows why people are the way they are.... i think im just lazy .... ( i do got lots of friends but there not true so i dont hing out with them not cos im lazy its cos i dont really liek them im nice to them)
so really anything can make a person obse or even anarxic.........
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Old Aug 13, 2007, 11:51 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Re: Child Obesity = Child Abuse?

I personally don't believe so. My sister is...quite large(Cuz I feel bad for calling her the F word). But of course it wasn't our moms fault. She would sneak food. My mom tried to stop her, but its kinda hard seein' as my sister used to do it in the middle of the night. but in my own opinion...my sister is to blame for her condition. so no i do not believe its abuse.
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Old Aug 13, 2007, 11:52 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Child Obesity = Child Abuse?

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Speaking from a fat kids POV. I disagree.

At home I would just walk into the kitchen unnoticed and stand at the refridgerator and eat. My parents would be asleep or busy. My mother was\is a health nut. Always had healthy food, she didn't buy sugary things. Always whole grain bread. But I over ate that stuff too, over eating ANYTHING will result in obesity.

At school other kids would give me food they did not want.

My friends parents? They knew I was fat (it was clear), they also thought of me as a cute\good kid... being as they knew food made me "happy" they would offer me goodies. Even though my parents didn't approve. Its extremely hard for a parent to dictate what someone else does in thier home.

From a parents POV. There are some things you just can't control. You really can't contol another human being.. period. And to TRY to do so, can be abusive. All you can do is encourage people to do right, and set a good example.

True, you cant watch your kids all the time, as they will do what you did. You can do things to help though. Like making good healthy meals for them, and not just being lazy and going Mc D's every night. I know parents are busy now a days, but when its your child health, they need to make time.
Parents can also make sure they get out and play, and put down the joystick.

Nope you cant control another human being, but you can try to teach them some good eating habits. Like when there hungry give em some fruit or something, not hand them a bag of chips. Also dont let em have regular soda, give em a diet one.
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Old Aug 13, 2007, 11:53 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: Child Obesity = Child Abuse?

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As I may have mentioned previously, I work in children's retail. A few days ago we had a customer trying to buy uniforms for her fifteen-year-old daughter. Unfortunately, we could only special order the clothes because the girl wore a size 5XL (that's XXXXX-Large) and we only carried up to 3XL. I've looked around and it seems children are much . . . larger than children were even ten years ago. Childhood obesity is a (excuse the pun) growing problem. Do you blame the parents? Do you think that childhood obesity is a form of child abuse?
Well, it depends really. I believe that it's a matter of how the parents raise the child. Sometimes--and I stress the word sometimes--parents have no control over the way thier child grows. But most of the time it's a matter of what the parents are feeding thier kids and how often the child eats.

If a child's parents are the latter of the two, then yeah; I'd consider that child abuse. You ever watch the Maury show, when they have parents of morbidly obese children on? Their kids are huge!!! Two years old and eatin' combo meals from McDonald's and s***!! "So what if my baby's big?! If he wants to eat, let him eat!!! I ain't gonna let my baby starve!" So you'd rather have a log for a child??? That ain't right. >_<

You could moderate his eating habits, and kids don't starve to death if they haven't eaten in five minutes. That's just gross.
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I really think it's a contribution of a lot of things.
It's more than video games, cause it it was the video games then children in Japan (the video game paradise) would be really huge. So it's not video games alone, here are the contributing factors.
All kids eat these days is junk food, no veggies no fruits...
not that it's a bad thing but...c'mon the food triangle don't exsist for nothing.
most obese children see something and want it...the love to eat, thats what they do (seen lots of documentaries) as unhealthy as it is..they just pork themselves that way....and combined with no excersize...then look what you get...cause you can walk or bike...thats easy..you don't have to get a bowflex...so get that ass up!!
You bring up some very good points. Do you think that parents should remove the junk food from the house so that what is available are healthier choices, and limit technology time (like thirty minutes on the video games for every hour spent outside)?
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Re: Child Obesity = Child Abuse?

ok wel at my school your not alowed salt and now this year our tuck shop has been cleard no candy what so every all you get is like apples ect witch will be good for us all and like i dont eat at school so me ok anyways me stick to gum chuwin all day keeps me goin lol >_<
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Old Aug 13, 2007, 12:37 PM   #20 (permalink)
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You bring up some very good points. Do you think that parents should remove the junk food from the house so that what is available are healthier choices, and limit technology time (like thirty minutes on the video games for every hour spent outside)?

Well junk food is very quick, it should just be eaten in moderation.
Healthier choices would be an occasional yogurt smoothie,
any fruit, and more juices rather than soda. Cause my personal opinion on sodas is they don't taste good to me anymore haha. And if the parents cracked down on the children about eating....when you get a certain size..there should be a limit on the foods they eat. But really my healthy

choice is the one i do every day...think fullmetal alchemst about this one...
I eat 3 snickers....hmm what must i do...how about i just dance to my fave song or something or something....it's equivalent exchange...if i eat i have to burn it off...it's kinda like fill up a car and leaving it....not even driving it..
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Re: Child Obesity = Child Abuse?

It's ridiculous to consider child obesity any more "child abuse" than any other condition caused by the environment in which a child is raised. To a certain point, it is left to parents to raise their children and instill values in them.

What next? Spoiled children? Crybabies? Aggressive kids? ADD? Religious zealotry?

Who's to say that raising a fat child is any worse than raising one who walks up to strangers and extolls the virtues of finding Jesus? One who is raised in a less conventional religion? A child raised athiest? How about one who walks up to other kids and punches them? Kids who use profanity? Beat up their siblings? Push? Shove? One who is kind, but naieve enough to trust strangers? Kids who steal compulsively? Kids who give things away even if they don't belong to them? Kids who lie? Kids who make up stories?

There are other factors at work as well: genetics, a child's own personality and desires, diseases, regional factors, social factors...

To suggest that something so complex that a majority of American adults can't manage on their OWN is somehow entirely a parent's responsiblity is silly. And to say that being fat is a factor of abuse both makes it something that people can forever after AVOID taking responsibilty for themselves and makes obesity in general something awful akin to having been raped or beaten.

Parents should raise their own children. It's none of our business how they are raised unless their lives are (immediately) in danger.
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Re: Child Obesity = Child Abuse?

That's always an issue with people isn't it? If the effects are directly affecting anyone then it's a big deal (eg. a parent hitting a child)

Yet, if the effects don't show for another 10 or so years..who cares lets do it anyway.

The reason why I think, it is a form of child abuse, is becuase that it will cause serious damage in the future to a child. if not addressed.

Sure they can eat what they want now, it doesn't matter that when they are older they can get diabete's, shortness of breath, heart attacks, heart disease. I mean hey it's not effecting them now, so who really cares?

I'm not saying that parents should be punished for what they are doing. As tsurara said It's none of our damn business how they are raised provided that they are in immediate danger.

But it still comes into that catergory. There are many forms of Child Abuse, I think Childhood obesity can fall in to it aswell.
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