Cigarettes (Or: "Squares for Squares?") - Page 2

*atomik_sprout* · Dec 21, 2007, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lordofbaka

becuse its govermentel work(did i wrote that right?). theire trying to look as much as healty as possibley, where do you live? becuse where i live(a country well known in media) there is not much pressure from the goverment on ppl to stop smoking, its just that they have much importnt problems, anti smoking movements are mostly citizen build by, its just pracpactive.

Really? Where do you live? If I wasn't quitting, I'd move wherever you are, LOL. No, seriously though, most of the anti-smoking ads/campaigns aren't even from the government. They want Big Tobacco's tax money. >_< Our anti-smoking ads are pretty much for and by the public. And insurance companies, can't forget about good ol' blue cross.

*Peach_follows* · Dec 21, 2007, 11:42 PM

Smoking is a filthy habit. I find that I am a stress smoker at best. I havent smoked in months, and when I do, Its because I am having company who smokes. Or I've smoked to calm myself in crisis. And lately, even when a crisis has arised, I've managed to go without. For some reason, there is a part of me that wants to please others. I would NEVER smoke in my home, but when friends come over who smoke. I dont make them go outside. (How stupid of me.)

I think It makes you smell bad. And its unfair to people around you. Hell, Its unfair to people who are going to be where you were... even after you leave...

nickhoge · Jan 20, 2008, 04:38 PM

Well, I personally think that the commercials are a real pain and on the other hand I am not taking anything from it. The way society is turning against the smokers these days is getting worse and worse and you really can't light a fag anywhere without someone telling you it's so bad for your health. I almost have the feeling I should hide and smoke on my own to not be confronted with it XD

Corvus · Jan 20, 2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Peach_follows

Smoking is a filthy habit. I find that I am a stress smoker at best. I havent smoked in months, and when I do, Its because I am having company who smokes. Or I've smoked to calm myself in crisis. And lately, even when a crisis has arised, I've managed to go without. For some reason, there is a part of me that wants to please others. I would NEVER smoke in my home, but when friends come over who smoke. I dont make them go outside. (How stupid of me.)

I think It makes you smell bad. And its unfair to people around you. Hell, Its unfair to people who are going to be where you were... even after you leave...

I don't understand how smoking calms people down when they're stressed because it's a narcotic (it excites people) But I guess you gotta do what you gotta do but I'm allergic to at least three of the chemicals in cigarette smoke so please stay away from me with it.

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Originally Posted by nickhoge

Well, I personally think that the commercials are a real pain and on the other hand I am not taking anything from it. The way society is turning against the smokers these days is getting worse and worse and you really can't light a fag anywhere without someone telling you it's so bad for your health. I almost have the feeling I should hide and smoke on my own to not be confronted with it XD

ahhh I'm curious where you're from it's een a while since I heard someone call a smoke a fag. The government only cracks down on them so hard so that they have an excuse to raise the prices on them... it's reverse psychology... They say "No! You can't have that it's bad for you" at the same time they know that just by telling you that you can't have it will make you want it more... and therefor they can raise prices and make a few more dollars a second off of people who are enslaved by their addictions. (I'm sorry if that's a harsh way of putting it but eventhough you spend most of your time looking at a picture with a range of colors sometimes putting it in black and white can help you distinguish somethings better... I'm not saying that that's how things are for you but the governtment honestly doesn't care about my problems or your problems only thier own most of the time unless it benefits them like the false anti smoking front.)
Eventhough I've been harsh on people about smoking my entire life it's only to preserve my own life because I'm at the point where a breath of ciggy smoke is fatal. I think that people can do whatever the hell that they want tho I mean it's their life (for now) you might as well enjoy it while you can right!? I let all my friends know that I don't have anything against them for smoking, I'd just appreciate it if you'd keep it away from me thank you.

*P.R. Princess* · Jan 20, 2008, 06:33 PM

i would have to say i do agree that their should be more campaigns against coak and week and all that but i think that alot of the campaigns are for kids. So that they see what smoking can do to them.

but i do see what you are saying.

*Arrianna* · Jan 20, 2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lordofbaka

but its not an instent killer.

Unless your have serious asthma or are allergic to it....

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Originally Posted by Corvus

but I'm allergic to at least three of the chemicals in cigarette smoke so please stay away from me with it.
...
Eventhough I've been harsh on people about smoking my entire life it's only to preserve my own life because I'm at the point where a breath of ciggy smoke is fatal.

Like that.

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Originally Posted by Corvus

The government only cracks down on them so hard so that they have an excuse to raise the prices on them... it's reverse psychology...

Actually it's called a "sin" tax. They believe it's wrong but for some reason (like all the smokers freaking out and slaying them in a hail of bullets

jk) they can't successfully ban it. So instead they put a huge tax on it to dissuade people who care about money from doing it and to penalize the one who do it anyway.

The Anti-Smoking TV Ads you see in the US are a direct result of a court ruling where it was found that the cigarette companies not only knew that smoking was hazardous but they had lied about it and covered it up for decades. In a creative punishment the companies were ordered to pay out money for Ads against smoking among other things. In response to that ruling The American Legacy Foundation was formed where they make anti-smoking Ads aimed at teens, support quit smoking programs aimed at adults, grants for "innovations in tobacco control", and funding research.

The American Legacy Foundation is a 501(c)(3) or "charitable organization" and if you want to contact them their website is here:
About Us | The American Legacy Foundation
and their e-mail is:
info@americanlegacy.org

*lebasiara* · Jan 20, 2008, 07:17 PM

Well, I am pretty sure as you say that most smokers know the consecuences of that habit... however a comercial against tobacco I think is not towards the smokers but to the new generation to prevent them for smoking... but that does not allow them to "out down" those who smoke... but I do think that the "warnings" are a necessary evil. And for the non-smoking places.. I think they are fair 'cos... not everyone wants to die early ya know... and some of us are allergic to it

nickhoge · Jan 21, 2008, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corvus

I don't understand how smoking calms people down when they're stressed because it's a narcotic (it excites people) But I guess you gotta do what you gotta do but I'm allergic to at least three of the chemicals in cigarette smoke so please stay away from me with it.

ahhh I'm curious where you're from it's een a while since I heard someone call a smoke a fag. The government only cracks down on them so hard so that they have an excuse to raise the prices on them... it's reverse psychology... They say "No! You can't have that it's bad for you" at the same time they know that just by telling you that you can't have it will make you want it more... and therefor they can raise prices and make a few more dollars a second off of people who are enslaved by their addictions. (I'm sorry if that's a harsh way of putting it but eventhough you spend most of your time looking at a picture with a range of colors sometimes putting it in black and white can help you distinguish somethings better... I'm not saying that that's how things are for you but the governtment honestly doesn't care about my problems or your problems only thier own most of the time unless it benefits them like the false anti smoking front.)
Eventhough I've been harsh on people about smoking my entire life it's only to preserve my own life because I'm at the point where a breath of ciggy smoke is fatal. I think that people can do whatever the hell that they want tho I mean it's their life (for now) you might as well enjoy it while you can right!? I let all my friends know that I don't have anything against them for smoking, I'd just appreciate it if you'd keep it away from me thank you.

Offcourse I can totally understand your point, that is not the problem

You are not the kind of person that I would dislike as soon as you ask me NOT to smoke. It's the problem that most people who never even tried to smoke that keep on telling me it's bad everytime. As for the 'Fag', I'm from Holland but kinda familiar with the UK language, so I guess that's where it came from actually XD

Smoke free places should be there for people like you actually, if there weren't then you wouldn't be able to live a normale life anymore because everywhere you go, every restaurant, every bar, there would be a thick layer of smoke filling up the area and ruining your life.

*Joe Mage* · Jan 21, 2008, 06:59 AM

U know the one thing that bothers me 'bout the govt. and their campaign against cigarette smokin' is the fact that they condemn ppl for smokin', but aren' willin' ta do anythin' ta help them quit. The thing that ppl have a tendency ta forget is that cigarettes have nicotine and nicotine is an addictive drug, it has both chemical and psychosomatic addictive properties. It's not so easy as jus' puttin' them down and the longer u've smoked the more difficult it becomes ta quit. Whether than spend millions of dollars on ads and commercials whinin' and gripin' at smokers for smokin', why don' our govt. (federal, state, and/or local) ferry some of that money inta programs ta help smokers quit; jus' like they do wit ppl who r addicted ta any other drug? Seems like a double standard ta me, they want smokers ta quit; but they don' wanna lift a single finger ta help. Different ppl have different levels of willpower, and the longer one smokes the more that willpower waines, and there r many out there who need help in quittin'. It's easy ta complain and whine 'bout others and their habits, it's somethin' else entirely ta offer them help in breakin' those habits.

animechick · Jan 23, 2008, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by atomik_sprout

Over the past few years or so, I've been seeing--and I'm sure you all have as well--massive amounts of anti-tobacco commercials. Now, I'm not gonna defend "Big Tobbaco", because I myself am trying to quit; but WTF, man??I mean, as smokers we know the consequences of smoking cigs and we choose to accept those consequences. Why do we keep hearing people on television griping about cancer and emphyzema like it's a new epidemic or something?They almost got me last year, but I'm quitting for my own reasons this year. Anywho, what's your opinion about anti-tobacco campaigns? Are they truly necessary? BUT, if you're gonna go against something, campaign against something worth fighting against. Like coccaine/meth, alchohol abuse, CRIME... You catch my drift.

Let's talk tobacco!

im so with you. being harrased to do something thats legal? they waste money on stopping something legal and continue to go on about not smoking cigs but the adds for "stop drugs" and "stop smoking" cant compare. there are far more presrciptions available and agencies and such to stop smoking then to quit coke, meth, crack etc.

***another piont of how people are so messed up.

*atomik_sprout* · Jan 23, 2008, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickhoge

Well, I personally think that the commercials are a real pain and on the other hand I am not taking anything from it. The way society is turning against the smokers these days is getting worse and worse and you really can't light a fag anywhere without someone telling you it's so bad for your health. I almost have the feeling I should hide and smoke on my own to not be confronted with it XD

LOL.

"Light a fag," That's great! I haven't heard anyone use that in AGES! Where are you from? Like Corvus, I'm uber curious.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corvus

I don't understand how smoking calms people down when they're stressed because it's a narcotic (it excites people) But I guess you gotta do what you gotta do but I'm allergic to at least three of the chemicals in cigarette smoke so please stay away from me with it.

ahhh I'm curious where you're from it's een a while since I heard someone call a smoke a fag. The government only cracks down on them so hard so that they have an excuse to raise the prices on them... it's reverse psychology... They say "No! You can't have that it's bad for you" at the same time they know that just by telling you that you can't have it will make you want it more... and therefor they can raise prices and make a few more dollars a second off of people who are enslaved by their addictions. (I'm sorry if that's a harsh way of putting it but eventhough you spend most of your time looking at a picture with a range of colors sometimes putting it in black and white can help you distinguish somethings better... I'm not saying that that's how things are for you but the governtment honestly doesn't care about my problems or your problems only thier own most of the time unless it benefits them like the false anti smoking front.)
Eventhough I've been harsh on people about smoking my entire life it's only to preserve my own life because I'm at the point where a breath of ciggy smoke is fatal. I think that people can do whatever the hell that they want tho I mean it's their life (for now) you might as well enjoy it while you can right!? I let all my friends know that I don't have anything against them for smoking, I'd just appreciate it if you'd keep it away from me thank you.

You've got a point. People tend to do what they're told not to do. So, saying "don't smoke, it's wrong" is like saying, "waste your money on us!" LOL. It's a vicious cycle.

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Originally Posted by Arrianna

Unless your have serious asthma or are allergic to it....

Like that.

Actually it's called a "sin" tax. They believe it's wrong but for some reason (like all the smokers freaking out and slaying them in a hail of bullets

jk) they can't successfully ban it. So instead they put a huge tax on it to dissuade people who care about money from doing it and to penalize the one who do it anyway.

The Anti-Smoking TV Ads you see in the US are a direct result of a court ruling where it was found that the cigarette companies not only knew that smoking was hazardous but they had lied about it and covered it up for decades. In a creative punishment the companies were ordered to pay out money for Ads against smoking among other things. In response to that ruling The American Legacy Foundation was formed where they make anti-smoking Ads aimed at teens, support quit smoking programs aimed at adults, grants for "innovations in tobacco control", and funding research.

The American Legacy Foundation is a 501(c)(3) or "charitable organization" and if you want to contact them their website is here:
About Us | The American Legacy Foundation
and their e-mail is:
info@americanlegacy.org

Wow! I never knew that! So, let me get this straight: Big Tobacco has to pay for the very same commercials that bash them?? LOL.

That's a riot!

Dec 21, 2007, 11:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
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Joe Mage Mage of Eternity Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In the end, it doesn' really matter. Posts: 876 Thanks: 26 Thanked 33 Times in 30 Posts Credits: 34,208	Re: Cigarettes (Or: "Squares for Squares?") U know the one thing that bothers me 'bout the govt. and their campaign against cigarette smokin' is the fact that they condemn ppl for smokin', but aren' willin' ta do anythin' ta help them quit. The thing that ppl have a tendency ta forget is that cigarettes have nicotine and nicotine is an addictive drug, it has both chemical and psychosomatic addictive properties. It's not so easy as jus' puttin' them down and the longer u've smoked the more difficult it becomes ta quit. Whether than spend millions of dollars on ads and commercials whinin' and gripin' at smokers for smokin', why don' our govt. (federal, state, and/or local) ferry some of that money inta programs ta help smokers quit; jus' like they do wit ppl who r addicted ta any other drug? Seems like a double standard ta me, they want smokers ta quit; but they don' wanna lift a single finger ta help. Different ppl have different levels of willpower, and the longer one smokes the more that willpower waines, and there r many out there who need help in quittin'. It's easy ta complain and whine 'bout others and their habits, it's somethin' else entirely ta offer them help in breakin' those habits. __________________ "Believe in yourself, if in nothing else." My myspace page: www.myspace.com/joemage
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