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Old Apr 29, 2007, 07:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Concealed Carry on Campus

I saw this topic on another forum, and I thought it was interesting, so I wanted to see what the high caliber of individuals on AO had to say about this... (I'm trying to think of another gun pun)... issue.

Classically Liberal: When mass killers meet armed resistance.

Anyway, I must say that I am quite for carrying a gun around with me wherever I am. I don't do it now, obviously, because that is a criminal offense, but I think that I should be able to carry a firearm. I am a soldier, and above that a military police soldier; I should have the ability to protect myself from any raving psychos that may come to my campus, or any of the raving nuts who are constantly shooting off right outside of campus.

An armed society is a polite society.

I'd like to think, especially being a Resident Assistant at my college dorms, that I have at least some responsibilty for keeping the campus safe. I suppose we could run situations through the what if machine all day, but I know that if someone came into my dorm and shot two people, I would be hesitant to go into a situation with absolutely nothing going for me, at least having a firearm in a lockbox in my room would allow me to be on a roughly even playing field.
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Old Apr 29, 2007, 07:59 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Concealed Carry on Campus

In my opinion weapons of any kind have no place in a school or on a campus. No exceptions.
Even pocket knives should be discouraged.
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Old Apr 29, 2007, 08:07 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Concealed Carry on Campus

Even if you put limitations on who can carry and buy a gun won't solve anything. Guns should be banned from being owned and bought by civilians. Therefore, school shootings or any other kind of shootings can be avoid.
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Old Apr 29, 2007, 02:27 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Concealed Carry on Campus

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Even if you put limitations on who can carry and buy a gun won't solve anything. Guns should be banned from being owned and bought by civilians. Therefore, school shootings or any other kind of shootings can be avoid.
This may function in other countries, but the wholesale ban of weapons won't change anything, because people alreasdy get illegal weapons anyway, in part from countries that border us.

Most local gun stores don't sell AKs, but outlaws seem to be able to get their hands on them. Drugs are banned by law, but people still get them.

There is something deterring about knowing that the person or people you might be trying to kill might have a weapon, there are examples of that in that article.

If people want to be able to carry weapons, who would be otherwise legally entrusted to do so, then I say why limit that on a campus? You live ignorantly if you think that just banning guns will solve the problem.
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Re: Concealed Carry on Campus

Isn't prevention better than trying to stop it in the first place.

In my opinion no civilian has the right to carry a gun - that is a problem not a solution.

A campus is a place for learning. An armed society is only a fearful society.

Sure banning guns doesn't stop all gun related death. But it will make it harder for some one to get their hands on it and therefore some ones life will be saved. Clearly there is something wrong if a teenager can get his hands on a gun in the first place.
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Re: Concealed Carry on Campus

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In my opinion weapons of any kind have no place in a school or on a campus. No exceptions.
Even pocket knives should be discouraged.
Pocket knives are just ats bad as guns. A fifteen year old killed another student in his school by stabbing him to death. I agree. Weapons should not be allowed in schools. No matter what the education is, be it elementary, university, middle... Students in a university here in FL actually want to have guns [to protect themselves from outsiders].

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Old Apr 29, 2007, 05:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Concealed Carry on Campus

^_^ America was founded with it's faith and with it's guns, and i think that tradition should live on. In some of the southern states like Texas, people are allowed to keep guns on them at all times and even have the right (not sure state-wide, but i know they can in some areas) to shot someone on the spot if they see someone commit a crime or try to run away from it. and you don't hear any mass killings coming from their side of the country...

And if guns are harder to get, it will be easier for the bad guys to get...

^_^ that's just me... and i like shot guns!
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Old Apr 29, 2007, 05:18 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Concealed Carry on Campus

Er... I'm not sure if I can agree with you so much, hun.
Maybe in the past we could've allowed such a thing... maybe in the past we shouldn't have made so much "BAN BAN BAN" laws. Maybe we should've been more creative to make laws that teach people rather than just taking it away.

But it's over, most of us have been brainwashed to heck that we CAN'T allow for people to carry firearms on them.

People can complain that any weapon or item can kill with a single blow, but the gun isn't idiot-proof. Neither are many items, but people have seen what guns can do and live by it. A gun is locked, loaded, and shot. Everyone knows what it's for.
You don't see everyone going like "I'll kill you with this fork because you made fun of me!"...

America's gone very immature and weak-hearted since the olden "golden" days.
Most of its inhabitants are cowards (no offense, but it is true that most of the U.S. probably can't control themselves or think out rational thought)... we've gotten too comfortable with our "safety".

You give everyone a gun and there's going to be shoot-outs everywhere you go. Not all the time, mind you, but it'll definitely happen more often.

People think the solution can easily put as "If they cause trouble, we'll shoot them"... then it goes "if they try to stop me, I'll shoot them"... then it'll be a horrible bloodbath for all of us.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind too much since it is what we deserve (giggle), but those are my opinons...

So should we all have the right to carry guns? Nah, but we should be allowed to carry any form of weapon for protection... or at least heavily encourage self-defense classes.

...because it'll just be kinda' awkward if people had a Taser-Brawl all of a sudden.
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Re: Concealed Carry on Campus

It'll just get the things worst. You'll have a lot of people with the "power" of killing on their pokets. There are going to be those that are not goint to hesitate to use it even if it is not necessary.... There should be no guns on campus, student hands whatsoever under any circumstances. What the campus need is more security... After the Virginia thing... ny dad was wondering how secure are we (my bro and me) in the University we are at.... and the truth is we have no good security. The security is ok but it wouldn't be able to handle a big incident as the masacre on Virginia.
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Re: Concealed Carry on Campus

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I'd like to think, especially being a Resident Assistant at my college dorms, that I have at least some responsibilty for keeping the campus safe. I suppose we could run situations through the what if machine all day, but I know that if someone came into my dorm and shot two people, I would be hesitant to go into a situation with absolutely nothing going for me, at least having a firearm in a lockbox in my room would allow me to be on a roughly even playing field.
i can see that u are feeling insecure but concealing a firearm.... well i can see a couple of things going wrong there. as said firearms are purely tools of killing or inflicting massive amount of harm on to a living being. now u say that u would conceal this firearm right? in a lunch box or something. now what if someone like that is unstable as such stumbles across ur lunch box or where ever u concealed it? i know u would be extremely careful since u did state ur military record but u are still only human. so are u just pretty much shotting urself in the foot?

i know a little bit about this cause some of my coz where bouncers for some night clubs around the Goal Coast (Australian reference). both of them thought very hard about whether or not they should get their license and carry them around for there job. since there are plenty of stabbing and such in their line of work. but both of them decided not 2 mainly cause of 2 reasons.

1) it is very difficult to keep an eye on ur firearm all the time, nearly impossible. this leads to a point where it can be stolen from u and used against u. now is it so smart to carry one around? even if they don't know how to properly use it and they do shot some1 u r responsible for it. not very wise if u ask me.

2) this one mainly about the shear cost of carrying it around over here. got very tight restrictions.

but America's type of thinking is seems to run along these lines "a strong offense is the best defense" but that not always the case.
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Re: Concealed Carry on Campus

Humans may think they have everything in control, but they seem to forget one thing : Humans are only humans and are bound to stuff up every now and then. Look at some of the major disasters in the world - human made, some by mistake.

You could put the same theory with civilians holding guns. Just like what
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