The Confederate Flag: Racist or A Sign of southern Heritage?

Miroku4444 · Jan 27, 2007, 08:06 PM

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The Confederate battle flag, called the "Southern Cross" or the cross of St. Andrew, has been described variously as a proud emblem of Southern heritage and as a shameful reminder of slavery and segregation. In the past, several Southern states flew the Confederate battle flag along with the U.S. and state flags over their statehouses. Others incorporated the controversial symbol into the design of their state flags. The Confederate battle flag has also been appropriated by the Ku Klux Klan and other racist hate groups. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, more than 500 extremist groups use the Southern Cross as one of their symbols.

I was watching my local news and they had a story where a kid was suspended for wearing a hat with the Southern Cross(Confederate flag) Symbol on it. So it gave me an idea for a good topic to post here.

Do you think the Confederate flag is a symbol of southern heritage or symbol of Racism? Should this kid have got suspended?

I think the school was just covering its butt, in case some parent would call up and bit** at the school and threaten to sue em. The kid should have been told just to not wear the hat, not be suspended.

To me its just a symbol of southern heritage not some racist tool. Those jerks just tarnished a once sacred symbol.

To help the Ppl that don't live in the US, see here:

http://www.geocities.com/gngerald/Confederacy.html

*Familyguyfan2* · Jan 27, 2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Miroku4444

I was watching my local news and they had a story where a kid was suspended for wearing a hat with the Southern Cross(Confederate flag) Symbol on it. So it gave me an idea for a good topic to post here.

Do you think the Confederate flag is a symbol of southern heritage or symbol of Racism? Should this kid have got suspended?

I think the school was just covering its butt, in case some parent would call up and bit** at the school and threaten to sue em. The kid should have been told just to not wear the hat, not be suspended.

To me its just a symbol of southern heritage not some racist tool. Those jerks just tarnished a once sacred symbol.

To help the Ppl that don't live in the US, see here:

http://www.geocities.com/gngerald/Confederacy.html

I don't really know if it's racist. I think it is! I hate racist people so I hate that flag too! And the KKK!

*Ky-lyrra* · Jan 27, 2007, 08:28 PM

It is a sign of southern herritage but it's also the reason the person has it for. Like take my family we have southern flags because it's part of our heritage not because we are racist. Also I do not think a child should get into trouble for wearing a southern flag on his hat. They do not know what it's supposed to mean it could mean that he supports his herritage and wants to show it.

jaam0927 · Jan 27, 2007, 08:34 PM

racism isn't in wut u wear... but in how u act... so yeah I think the school overreacted there...

**LenMiyata** · Jan 27, 2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ky-lyrra

It is a sign of southern herritage but it's also the reason the person has it for. Like take my family we have southern flags because it's part of our heritage not because we are racist. Also I do not think a child should get into trouble for wearing a southern flag on his hat. They do not know what it's supposed to mean it could mean that he supports his herritage and wants to show it.

But is wearing a Confederate Flag symbol any different then wearing a German Swastika symbol??? And the fact that the Confederate Flag was incorporated into the Flags of several southern states during the late 1950s as a protest of the Federal intervention on civil rights under the Eisenhower administration does indicate what the intended symbolism is ...

deodaclan18 · Jan 27, 2007, 08:43 PM

He should be able to wear the flag and whatever else he wants to wear. But then you have to think, what happens if a kid walks in one day wearing a swastika, what should be done then? I don't know about this cause people should be allowed to show their opinion even if it's a negative one, but at the same time it could emotionally hurt others at the same time.

*Ky-lyrra* · Jan 27, 2007, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LenMiyata

Grumble Grumble Grumble

But is wearing a Confederate Flag symbol any different then wearing a German Swastika symbol??? And the fact that the Confederate Flag was incorporated into the Flags of several southern states during the late 1950s as a protest of the Federal intervention on civil rights does indicate what the intended symbolism is ...

If that was the case then why do they even make them. If people think that they are used for racism? My whole neighborhood has them up but yet we are not a racist neighborhood. We are just showing our southern herritage. I can see where you are coming from with the swastika symbol and that's one part of my herritage I will not be proud of. I see that both of them have been used for bad but that does not mean that they are used that way now or atleast the flag isn't.

A flag is not that bad now when a kid walks into school wearing a KKK suit then your have a problem.

Miroku4444 · Jan 27, 2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LenMiyata

Grumble Grumble Grumble

But is wearing a Confederate Flag symbol any different then wearing a German Swastika symbol??? And the fact that the Confederate Flag was incorporated into the Flags of several southern states during the late 1950s as a protest of the Federal intervention on civil rights under the Eisenhower administration does indicate what the intended symbolism is ...

Yes, but originally it wasn't a bad symbol, but the german German Swastika was always thought of as a symbol of hate.

OdysseanPromise · Jan 27, 2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Miroku4444

Yes, but originally it wasn't a bad symbol, but the german German Swastika was always thought of as a symbol of hate.

Well, you could argue that, but the swastika was taken from the manji, the Buddhist symbol of good luck ( I believe that is right, Tsurara mentioned that once ), and I also thing it is a druidic symbol. It is reversed for the swastika, but still, if you were to have a manji tattoo, or necklace, people would think you were a Nazi, *shrug*.

What I find so interesting is that this kid was suspended. Where do you live? In my neck of the woods, despite the fact that we are only *negligibly* below the mason dixon line, we have all manner of hickish people who wear Confederate flag everything.

*Abu Dhabi* · Jan 27, 2007, 09:32 PM

A flag is a symbol. A symbol is just an object that has been given meaning by a certain group of people.

Remember, the Swastika was an Indian symbol for good luck until Natzi turned it upside down and gave it a new meaning.

For some, it is simply the pride that they come from Alabama or somewhere along the Mississippi(?). The racism doesn't come ino play unless someone usues it in that context. And of course, America has freedom of practically anything, so wearing a swastika or the Conferderate flag should be acceptable. Tasteful, oh the other hand, i will doubt.

*Ky-lyrra* · Jan 27, 2007, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OdysseanPromise

Well, you could argue that, but the swastika was taken from the manji, the Buddhist symbol of good luck ( I believe that is right, Tsurara mentioned that once ), and I also thing it is a druidic symbol. It is reversed for the swastika, but still, if you were to have a manji tattoo, or necklace, people would think you were a Nazi, *shrug*.

What I find so interesting is that this kid was suspended. Where do you live? In my neck of the woods, despite the fact that we are only *negligibly* below the mason dixon line, we have all manner of hickish people who wear Confederate flag everything.

I know what you are saying and as for my town and school (on hats) we have southern flags all over the place. We show our support in our herritage. No one at my old school got into trouble for wearing a southern flag anywear on their body. What do they do when someone has a southern flag on their shirt or something. I mean my cousin goes to school all the time with a shirt that has southern flags on them. What about the Southern Dixie shirts (Think that's them) what should be done about them if schools don't allow it?

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