anime_being_god

I believe in Creation as well, though i dont really care what everyone else thinks, I have my beliefs, and I dont lean on someone elses either. To all those who think differently, that all good for you.

I would also like to say that aruging about your own thoughts trying to presuade others is kinda childish, if they dont want to think a certain way they shouldnt have too, the same goes to the people name calling because of this stuff. RESPECT others beliefs as well!

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abby724

Don't tell me you think Tsurara is a man? :covers mouth with hand: Or did I misunderstand something...

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Chiefblackhammer

You assume too much about what I believe, when did I ever say that the earth was 6000 years old? The Bible does not give a “date” or “age” of the earth nor does it give us a “true” means to know how old it is. The monk who came up with 6,000 years was trying to trace back to the exact year with an incomplete biblical genealogy. How can you come back to something when parts of your “numbers” are missing or unclear? Thus the 6,000 years is junk. How old is the earth? NO ONE KNOWS and to me, it doesn’t matter.

Not to mention science has 0, none, notta means of judging anything’s “true” age. It is all THEORY, carbon dating isn’t accurate. Within “x” is still wrong and if you can’t even get it “right” without a huge margin of error what is to say to your margin of error is even close to being “right”…I mean what is the margin of error on your margin of error?? Recursive it is... why yes, yes it is.

Also Scientists are and have been historically “wrong” on darn near everything, why? Because it is all guess work and theories, Science is about the possibilities and if they hold any merit or plausibility, not if they are "true and fact". Science cannot prove anything and it doesn't try. They just theorize, test and draw conclusions. The progression is that with more tests hopefully the conclusions will be come more reliable in the sense we can use them to progress mankind.

People forget scientists traditionally believed the world to be flat. Yes the Catholics did suppress the theory of the world being “round and not the center of the universe” but it doesn’t change the fact that for century’s science had it wrong. So what if the Catholics also had a bad theory (which has no real biblical basis) guess that makes them even with science on that one. In 50 years we will have hundreds of new theories (which also can’t be proven); like for instance there is one Scientist that believes we are in only 1 of a whole sea of millions of Universes.

So why do people think the Bible is so hard to believe when science changes what it thinks every few years?

Why are we discussing gays in a CREATION thread? Also if you don’t KNOW what you are talking about then don’t bring it up. Gays don’t go to hell for being gay, yes it is a sin but sin doesn’t send you to hell. Otherwise we all would be there: “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” The fact is the “wages of sin is DEATH”…not hell.

The only thing that sends one to hell is unbelief in Jesus as your lord and savior. Now if you want to “discuss” it some more PM me or start a new topic.

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Luminous

For me to believe in Creation, I'd need to believe God exists, and that's just not going to happen. More to the point of the debate I suppose, is that I think along the lines of Russell's Teapot. A lack of conclusive evidence on the part of science means nothing towards proving Creation to be any more likely.

Well, those are my two cents, anyways. And to think I could have spent those two cents on penny candy....

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tsurara

The outpouring of hate-mail I recieved overnight is truly touching, and telling of some members' devotion to "Christ-like" thinking.

To Answer It All Here:

1) For some reason, some gays are masochistic enough to be Christian:
CHRISTIANGAYS.COM: Gay & Lesbian Christian Fellowship
2) I am female
3) I was called an idiot, I can't recall having called anyone else one
4) I did not ban the user in question, I issued one 35 point infraction for "insulting a member" (for calling me an idiot without provocation)
5) Muslims and Jews believe in the very same account of creation as Christians... I see no reason to qualify which religion I'm speaking about when saying that the story doesn't strike me as likely or literally true. The laws of Leviticus, the only other portion of the Bible I referenced by name are also applied in Islam and Judaism (though in Islam they are attributed to someone else). I never said that I was speaking to or of Christians -- I was discussing the topic at hand: Biblical Creation.
6) After being told that I was an idiot for bringing up Biblical Law because the Covenant with Christ has erased it completely, I was then sent an e-mail informing me that homosexuality is a sin and that I will go to hell for it. I find this to be an ironic confirmation that Christians do, indeed, often "pick and choose" which portions of the Bible to apply to themselves and to others as they find them convenient.

In closing, a quote from Ghandi... a man the literal Bible would also put in hell:

" I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ. "

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Scourge

Lol, you don't have to literally say that we are idiots, your wording and phrasing generally says it all.

Some people still didn't know that you were Female? Hell I haven't been here that long and I already figured that out.

And all the hate mail you got from those people, all I have to say is this...ITS THE ATTACK OF THE ZELOTS!!

dark1angel

Hmm this is really an interesting question, although i never heard of it in a perspective point. Well the firm standin point, well ahh gee *lets see here, pulls out references* ahh okay here we go, the point of creation has been a wonder full of life. Is this the question your asking of how the worl got created or what kind of question is this, since all of a sudden i am confused and lost now. Do please remind me the question before the firm standing point.

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Miroku4444

Come on dont tell me they didnt prove anything. Didnt scientist finally prove the earth is round, that we have a total of 46 chromosomes that come in 23 pairs or homologous, there are other galaxy's besides our own, and other stuff like this? They may get it wrong on some stuff, but not "darn near everything". Its not because of "Because it is all guess work and theories", it from lack of technology or total understanding to prove these theory's and such.

I never said carbon dating was totally accurate, I said it was accurate enough to prove the earths way older than 6000 years. Even so there are other ways to prove its older than that also.

....and that hopefully they will find evidence to prove their theory's which do happen sometimes. Dont tell me your believe that no scientist has never found evidence to prove his theorys. Flight, the atom bomb, being able to land on the moon, the world is round, cars were all just theory's and guess work at one time.

I think if you talk to religious scholars the new # is like 10,000 years which is still junk.

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Joe Mage

I applaud u, Tsurara, for not stoopin' ta the level of the one that called u an "idiot." The fact that u showed great restraint in that matter is truly admirable. And some Christians have a tendency ta forget that the Bible says; "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself," "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," and that there isn' a single person alive who is without "sin" and that we're born inta the world wit it. No one, and I mean absolutely No one, on this earth has a right ta judge who is and who isn' goin' ta hell, that in of itself is also a sin. I feel that this type of behavior is somethin' that Christ would not approve of. I feel that it is truly shameful that there r some ppl who would resort ta such behavior. I am very appalled at such immature and judgemental behavior. I apologize for my rant.

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abby724

I have to go with the whole "Big Bang" theory and evolution. Why? Because the people supporting and/or researching into these theories come from a line of work that's made many discoveries both proven, and very, very beneficial to the progress of mankind. Yes, they're still flawed humans, but they've sent people to the moon, discovered genetics, and done much more... I'm assuming that one would have to be very knowledgable to accomplish such feats... So yes, my confidence in those two theories stems from their credibility.

Yes, we haven't found rock-hard evidence to prove the Big Bang straight out. Maybe the universe was created some other way. But I like and trust science, okay? "No science, no cancer cures!" is something I like to say impulsively.

Why don't I trust creation from any religious standpoints? Religious beliefs are just too fuzzy. Hah! There's the key word: belief. It's all faith, or at least, nothing is rock-hard enough for me to turn me over... Specifically, that the Bible is truth... Where's the proof that the Bible is God's word, even? Not just written by a group of charismatic people with mental disorders? And we've had more than our fair share of charismatic people with questionable mental stability levels...

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