P.R. Princess

lol yea im glad you think so. lol.
yea i had a hard time believeing that it was made in just 6 days. Like i am a big christain but somtimes its just you cant take literally. It can be seen in a metiphorical way.

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Scourge

That’s how I feel about it to. I don’t believe that these stories were completely made up as historical records can confirm that most of them did happen, but that they were greatly exaggerated by the bible and the people of that time. Back then people had no concept of millions, and billions of years. They simply could not wrap their minds around that. They had no idea that the world was in fact much much much larger then they really thought it was. They didn't understand natural phenomenon such as Earth quakes, storms, droughts, and plagues, germs, and viruses were. So the could only explain it in a way they could understand things at that time. Even when we know now today that their explanations were clearly, totally, and utterly wrong. Not saying they were stupid, just that they didn’t know better. Not to mention they liked to blow things out of proportion when telling these stories to make it sound much grander then they really were. Sort like the fish that got away.

Joe Mage

Not ta mention that these stories were told for many generations 'fore they were finally written down and then compiled. With each tellin' the story was slightly changed or exaggerated, it's not that the story didn' have any historical signifigance; it's jus' that it's no longer exactly the way it had happened. This is also what happened wit many Native American oral traditions. One has ta remember that many of the Bible's, in particular the ones in the Old Testament, stories were, originally, told orally. So they're most likely stories that r based on events that actually happened, but were changed wit each tellin' 'fore they were finally written down.

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Scourge

Not to mention as the religion really started to get going, priests, bishops and other in the churches high order started to making changes to it, taking thing out, adding things in, so on and so forth. After all, who would dare challenge the church? Any one who did would be killed because that would be considered heresy and against god and blah blah blah when in fact people were just simply scratching there heads saying wait a minute, something is not right, and the rest takes care of its self. That can be said for all the religions by the way.

xbeyondxthexgravex

one the animals he would not have to go get cus it not that hard to say if you believe god flooded the earth why could he not just have the animals came to noah.

as for wind the ark did not have a sail it had a roof cus it was just make to last and it give how big it is in the bible Genesis 6:15 This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high. 16 Make a roof for it and finish the ark to within 18 inches of the top. Put a door in the side of the ark and make lower, middle and upper decks.

o and the averge life span being 45 i dont know were you got that because acording to the bible noah was already at least already 500
Genesis 5:32 After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth.

and adam lived 930 years and thats not even close to 45
Genesis 5:5 Altogether, Adam lived 930 years, and then he died.

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One. It still begs the question as to how the animals from the continents of North America, South America, and Canada, and Australia could get to him. And if you say by going through the channels between Alaska and Russia well the water there is so deep and so cold it would kill anything in about 30 minutes. All be it that would shorten the amount of time it would take to get the animals if god summoned them to where Noah was but still.

Two. I never said it was the Ark that he would use to go around getting all the animals now did I. He could have use a different boat all together before building the Ark. Now I am an Engineer, those dimensions you gave for the size of the Ark would make it close to the size of an aircraft carrier. Now a ship made of wood could be built to that size, it has been proven that it can and I am not arguing that. But to hold two of every kind of animal all around the world would have to be much bigger then that.
I will retract my clame that the ship would have to be the size of Japan or California, to hold two of all the animals of the world, it would have to be the size of a small city. Which is still much bigger then any aircraft carrier. How ever, now if you say two of every animal in his world, as in the area he lived which is the Middle East, and a two of a few animals that were imported from Egypt, Europe and India, then yes I can see that possibly working.

Look in a historical text book on the average life span of people during this time, very few lived past 50. And as for him living up to be over 500 years old would mean living 10 times longer then any living person in the world at this or any other time, and his son 20 times longer then any living creature in the world. When the bible depicted his age, I don't by that one bit. Now I am of faith but I have a hard time swallowing that pill.

Arrianna

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1. This was before the time of Peleg when the world was one continent.
2. If you check the animal kingdom in early times you will find that most of our animals had common ancestors. ie. there were a lot less animals to collect.
3. Adam was supposed to be "perfect" physically. Biblically the lifespan of "man" was the longest with him and then shortened with each generation. Kind of an entropy thing.


Well, I have been gone for a bit so I am coming in late but I am a firm Creationist.

To explain, the 1day=1thousand years isn't just something the Catholic church made up. There are some other sources and it is something my church believes as well. Think of it this way. 1 day is the rotation of the world around the sun. Now all that means is that wherever the "angels" reside the planet has a longer rotation, 1 thousand of our years. So if we see the world created in 6 thousand years is that really such a short time?

Not if you consider the meaning of the word translated as "create" in the Bible. A better translation would be "organize" or to create by the use of materials at hand, like building a desk. It doesn't come out of nothing. You have to have wood, glue, equipment, nails, paint, etc. So if you apply that to the creation of the world it means that God (the gods actually/angels) took the materials already at hand and manipulated it to create a world that would support man and the environment s/he needed.

Now if you consider that livestock breeders can create a new breed within 10 years of selective breeding and the considerable advances already available to us with genetic research I find no trouble believing that God could Terra form a world and place genetically created/bred animals and plants on it in a mere 6 thousand years. In fact I commend his patience. Talk about a long term project.

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xbeyondxthexgravex

Well one theory is that we all have the same core dna cus evolution not being true would mean that no new dna would be created so therefore the dna that adam and eve had the best dna and as time moved on the dna became less pure and not as good and that is why people no longer live as long as they once did but thats just one theory.

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I really don't believe in "Intelligent Design" as its called. I mean there is no possible way that Humanity, the Earth, and the Universe could come from nothing. We know that our planet is at least 6 billion years old and not 3 thousand years old. It baffles me how people actually believe in the Bible's words even though it is 3000 year old book that contradicts with modern society. (It says that slavery is a okay in the Bible whereas its not in today's society.)

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I don't see how they could either, seeing that just because Creation theory may not be true doesn't mean god still didn't have a hand in everything. Some people just cant think outside the box.

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I am sorry but of all the reasons I have heard to contradict the Bible that one has to be one of the most absurd. A "3000 year old book" that had laws concerning something that was common at the time, is still in existence today, and was only questioned in the last 200 years?

As for the other the Bible does not say the world is 3000 years old. Here is the time line given.

1-6000 years, creation of the earth.
6-7000 years, God rested/Garden of Eden.
7000-???? years, the Garden of Eden.
Reset...
App 4000 BC Adam "born".
Between 2400 and 2300 the Flood.
Between 2300 and ???? Peleg lives and the "earth (continents) is divided".
App 2000 BC Abraham.
Between 1400 and 1300 Moses
App 600 BC Babylon conquers Israel and carries them off into captivity.
Reset...
0 BC/AD Christs Birth (though really they think it was about 6BC).
etc etc.
App 2008 Now.


Note: It doesn't say how long the Garden of Eden was around or if Adams age is based on when he became mortal or when he was born.
We don't know the exact time of Peleg but he was Noah's great-great-great grandson (Peleg-Eber-Salah-Araphaxad-Shem-Noah). I love the name Araphax, *cough* but back on subject.

The point is Biblically the time given is approximatly 6000 years not 3000 and that isn't the age of the earth it is the age of "man" as given from Adam's "birth".


Oh and one final point, it does not say the world/universe/man came from nothing. As I pointed out before it was created/organized not snap your fingers there it is magic walla. (It does make a pretty picture though.)

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