Scourge

Exactly, and that is why I believe and lean more toward the scientific aspect of it because they are actually looking and finding answers, all be it not every one will agree upon those answers as this thread has shown because our findings happen to make people question their beliefs on how the universe, Earth, Humans, and everything else was made because it differs then what's written from the bible or any other religious text. But its not asking any one question their belief in god though, just what was written down. Now I believe and trust in the value of the bible because most of it is on being kind, understanding, and loving to others. But other stuff I do question as I have already mentioned in several others of my responses and that is where I look to science and common sense.

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Although i believe in the bible and some of the truth it holds, i still say that there is no way that the earth could EVER be created in six days. that is BOUGUS!!
i believe that evolution occurs all the time. Though there are some some things which scientific logic and reasoning cannot explain... something spritual

Sol-x

In my opinion, i am not on either side fully. As most people already posted, it sounds crazy that the earth was made in just 6 days >.> It's really out there for me to believe. But science also has some things that raises questions in my head. Like how the big bang started. One of the theories was that 2 black holes were to close and canceled each other out out v.v How can a void in space that absorbs even light, be canceled out and turn into a massive explosion? That sounds just as weird as the 6 day thing.

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crimson

what is there to not believe... i guess the most basic thing is that each one has a flaw... in one way or another... though maybe if the creation through the biblical concept may be true, the wy it was written and discussed is surely flawed, i believe that either one alone is in an indecipherable 'truth'...

let's put it this way...

as often stated in the bible:
"a day in the life of the Lord, is a million years compared to the life of a man"

and as is always the problem of the science of evolution:
"where is the missing link"

or maybe to add the recent discovery:

now look closely at this, had the earth not formed where it had, or stopped where it had, or have been hit by any other planet along it's course towards this thin film, or had it been formed too large, or had it been formed too small... life in itself, or life as we know it now, would no longer exist.

slowly, think about it... as i have. for i do not believe in coincidence, or destiny... but looking closely at how the earth has actually formed, would you want to believe that that alone was left to form on it's own? or do you think that someone, someone geater than any one of us, or any other creature that has formed out there in the universe, has NOT guided this planet of ours into existence...

i would beg to differ from anyone who says so...

for i firmly believe that there is a God, though not controlling our every move or choice, but guiding our everyday existence...
and i too believe that

GOD WORKS IN WAYS THAT WE CANU NDERSTAND IN ORER FOR US TO MARVEL AT THE GREAT SKILL HE HAS IN MAKING EVERYTHING WE KNOW CONTINUE ON EXISTING

i think that is where science comes it... just listen to science at work, and you'll marvel at the very vast and great order there is in the earth, let alone the universe... and you'll start believeing in a greater being that has engineered this all.

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Scourge

Not really, do some research on black holes and it will explain.

What most scientists believe is that the universe was small, very very very small, and smaller then an atom, it was the first and only super element, not to mention the hottest thing to ever exist. It combined gravity, electromagnetism, and two other elements I can't remember. Any way they believe that gravity broke off from this super element. When this happened the rest did as well and the energy from the result from this was and is inconceivable. Now the universe didnt just pop into existence just like that, it still took billions of years to expand and grow before anything could exist because inside the universe was still very hot. Hotter then the core of a sun, and it wasn’t till it expanded more and more was it able to cool down and allow for heavier elements to form such as carbon and so on.

Sol-x

Now see, you put into context. You put it in a way that it was technically appropriate, but it mad a lot of sense to me.
Oh, and not to sound like I am offended for you correcting me Scourge, but I was unclear with the whole black theory thing. I only said that cause we had a discussion about the making of the big bang, and another student brought it up, and we talk about for a while (about 2 or 3 days). But I do appreciate you correcting me none the less.

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Scourge

Not a problem. In fact I think the student that brought up the black hole got confused with a white whole. A white hole is like a black hole but works in reverse, where as black holes suck everything in white holes spit stuff out. No one has ever seen a white hole before but in physics and particularly Enstines relativity allows for their existence. But yeah, the white hole and the super element theories are what scientist best think how it started. Oh and black holes shoot out jets of radiation called a red shift I think because they can only be seen in an inferred spectrum.

Arrianna

Appendix:

I was recently doing some research and came across a little fact that I thought people might find interesting.

The word "Yom" used in Genesis during the creation and translated as "Day" does not just mean day. It can also be translated as "Time" and "Period" depending on how it is used. Evidently Yom merely means a period of time in which a labor is done. It is usually applied to Day because ones labors are recorded in the Day (morning to night) that they are done. Yom can also mean however a labor in which took months, years, etc until it is finished. “I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work” (John 9:4). What is more the way that Yom is written in Genesis is missing the necessary prefixes that would specify it to be 24 hour periods or daylight that are found in the remainder of the Bible when used to specify a day and time.

In essence if you go back to the original Hebrew the correct translation would be "period one" (Yom ehad), or the period in which the labors were completed, and not "the first day". In fact it specifically does not even say "First" since the word for one and first (harison) are completely different.

If you want a really in depth article on this specific use in Genesis you can find it here.

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Scourge

Now that makes sense Arrianna. Best information I have heard so far for the creationist side or at least a better understanding of what they were talking about at least. I had no clue about that, and I am sure most other people who believe in creationism didn’t know about that either. Once again the fact of misinterpretation rears its head yet again. The fact that "yom" is a multi purpose word that belongs to the definitions of time of work and period. But as you said it was never given the exact length of time in the written work of genesis so to say the length of time or period of work was not written specifically to a 24 hour time period and there for the "yom" or work period given could be much much much longer. But sense it is not given to the exact time and date, wouldn’t looking at carbon dating and other forms of chemical, geological, and radioactive types of time measurement be a good way of looking at god's proverbial time card? I believe that god created the super element as I have mentioned earlier and set this object into motion. Something just hit me. I could be saying this wrong so please correct me on this. It is said that got created Earth and the Heavens in 7 days or a yom version of this work time. Now what if the phrase Earth and Heavens was referring to the universe its self. Not so much of what the universe we know to day but that super element that would become the universe and set that into motion. We could be very well be measuring his creations work which is the universe and not so much his hand but at the same time is his hand while creating evolution and free will but at the same time some how guiding it... My head is starting to hurt because it’s a contradiction and a big one at that but some times you need a contradiction in order for something to work and if god can do anything then he sure as hell can do this. The plot thickens.

Corvus

ok people are getting stuck up on the whole genesis thinger still...
ok so here it is. The yom thing is right it was a mistranslation by scribes and any selfrespecting relegios scholar (apparently not most clergy men) would be able to tell you that. I guess they don't because that'd be admitting that some of their higher ups and forerunners made a mistake.

To make it a little clear to you picture it this way because you keep asking why didn't god give moses a specific time?
Pretend you're this all knowing being. You created the earth for all of your children whom you love. One of your children who knows virtually nothing compared to your magnitude of knowledge asks you to explain how things happened. You are going to simplify things ALOT. I mean maybe god did do the whole evolution thing but how the hell would he have explained that to moses. when moses in reality had no understanding of even basic biology. He wouldn't know about cells or dna similarly we probably have a few misconceptions ourselves about how things played out but the bible as far as it is translated correctly is probably the easiest thing to understand as far as the whole thing goes. And if there is a god then it's definitely all that he feels we need to know to help us develop our healthy curiousities into a wealth of our own understanding. I mean sure he could just say everything as it is, but look how that's turned out so far. People refuse to believe the few things he has stated as laws to a better way so why would he have us deny our own existence?

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