Cutting down forests to make toilet paper

_gwenibe_ · Oct 18, 2006, 02:16 AM

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Kleenex, one of the most well known brands of tissue products in the world, is destroying the ancient forests of North America. Its manufacturer, the Kimberly-Clark corporation, the largest tissue product company in the world continues to destroy ancient forests to manufacture tissue products that are used once and then thrown away or flushed down the toilet.

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So what do you guys think?
Will you boy cott these products?
Would you used recycled toilet paper?

I find it silly that we use good paper ( and trees) like that to wipe our butts on lol.
I don't see anything wrong with recycled paper anyways.
I'll definatley think twice about using their products though.

I'm trying to find what the actual company has to say about this. I know green peace can be a biased some times.

*henzor* · Oct 18, 2006, 03:31 AM

hmmm i have to admit i've never thought about it before, but lopping down entire forests just to wipe butts does seem a bit absurd... o.O

but on the other hand i'd wanna make sure my ass is sparkling clean :P not sure if recycled paper can provide the same level of um... comfort lol

the real question is: will a few greenies boycotting the product actually achieve nething? i think the problem runs deeper than that... getting into social structure and economics and large western conglomerates globalising market forces... ...

*solking* · Oct 18, 2006, 06:49 AM

Recycled paper breaks too easily. I'm all for saving the forest but when it comes down to not being clean in that area... Thats a different story. I say all hail the mighty TP.

*Shodokan* · Oct 18, 2006, 07:16 AM

Tree Farms

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Instead of abandoning land after logging, silviculture seeks to regrow the forest as soon as possible. These plantations are typically grown as an even-aged monoculture for timber production. Plantations are also sometimes known as "man-made forests" or "tree farms", though this latter term also refers to specialist tree nurseries which produce the seedling trees used to create plantations. More generally, a plantation is forest land where trees are grown for commercial use, most often in a planted forest, but may also be in a naturally regenerated forest. In the United States, the term "Tree Farm" is a trademark of the American Tree Farm System, a third party verification system for certifying sustainable forestry. The American Tree Farm System dates back to 1941 as a program to improve forestry practices on privately owned forestlands. The term tree farm is also sometimes used to describe the sale of live trees for landscaping.

Trees are a renewable resource. People seem to forget that.

*Zdenek* · Oct 18, 2006, 08:12 AM

In our country, nearly every toilet paper is recycled. In fact, most papers are recycled, including: books, school notebooks, xerox A4 papers (rare still, but we use them at work, only contracts are on a white paper), boxes, most stationery (any carton cover is r.) etc. Even the "new" white paper is made of monoculture spruce trees that are grown in a managed way and no bald areas are left. In fact, the bald areas are done so small that erosion or windfall is rarely an issue.
Our government is bad, they'd sell baby Christ for organs for a buck, but the forest management is alright still.

*Arrianna* · Oct 18, 2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by _gwenibe_

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So what do you guys think?
...

I'm trying to find what the actual company has to say about this. I know green peace can be a biased some times.

Oh heavens... it's Greenpeace. Greenpeace isn't biased just some of the time these days.

Here's your statement from the company.

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Kimberly-Clark does not own any forestlands but requires that all fiber purchased for our pulp mills come from sustainably managed forests.

It's a renewable resource like Shodokan mentioned.

All "virgin" fibers mean is that they haven't been recycled.

Chiefblackhammer · Oct 18, 2006, 10:45 AM

Yet another reason not to wipe......J/K....

Seriously, my dad deals quite a lot with paper mills, tree management & paper recycling since his company is in the paper chip business and he does a lot of the raw material ordering...it is very common for companies to request recycled materials however there are a lot of case where recycled materials do not meet quality requirement of their customers and so some companies order 'virgin' fibers (as Arrianna put it).

That doesn't mean that companies that do ask for 'virgin' fibers are out there destroying the environment and cutting down the rain forest. Trees are highly managed with the equal goal to do what is best for the environment and still maximize profits. It is pure rubbish that companies are destroying the environment with tree harvesting anymore since it is highly managed and in The USA government (EPA) regulated.

*Legend* · Oct 18, 2006, 01:51 PM

I can use recycled anything, but NOT things that I wipe my booty with!!! Im sorry but I recycled enough and used enough recycled stuff. Recycled paper are usually bad in quality, and I want a soft life charmin style roll of towel paper to wipe.

_gwenibe_ · Oct 18, 2006, 02:33 PM

lol

Not all recycled toilet papers are bad, it just depends how much you willing to pay I guess.

* is going to investigate prices of recycled toilet paper in the shops*
lol!

*Violent* · Oct 18, 2006, 02:36 PM

I think its fine alot of people think that the forests are vanishing but theres actually alot of forests and stuff but now and days most are man made I don't really think it effects us much.

ZeRoGravity · Oct 18, 2006, 02:53 PM

Umm they're cutting down ancient forest that will take hundreds of years to grow back. Lost of habitat?

If they can replant the bloody trees then why don't they just have a huge tree farm and use those trees to wipe our asses with instead of messing with our ancient forest? Plus they are just gonna replant trees that they would find it useful for manufacturing so technically our forest will never get back to how it was before. AND they will cut it down again anyways.

Monoculture will kill the soil if you didn't know. Don't know about planting trees.

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henzor never knows best Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 85 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Credits: 240	Re: Cutting down forests to make toilet paper hmmm i have to admit i've never thought about it before, but lopping down entire forests just to wipe butts does seem a bit absurd... o.O but on the other hand i'd wanna make sure my ass is sparkling clean :P not sure if recycled paper can provide the same level of um... comfort lol the real question is: will a few greenies boycotting the product actually achieve nething? i think the problem runs deeper than that... getting into social structure and economics and large western conglomerates globalising market forces... ... __________________ * * * * * "A good discussion should be like a miniskirt; short enough to pertain interest yet long enough to cover the subject." ;]
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solking 4.01 M33-2 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In Posts: 1,494 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts Credits: 13,537	Re: Cutting down forests to make toilet paper Recycled paper breaks too easily. I'm all for saving the forest but when it comes down to not being clean in that area... Thats a different story. I say all hail the mighty TP. __________________
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Zdenek Anime is great Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 279 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Credits: 491	Re: Cutting down forests to make toilet paper In our country, nearly every toilet paper is recycled. In fact, most papers are recycled, including: books, school notebooks, xerox A4 papers (rare still, but we use them at work, only contracts are on a white paper), boxes, most stationery (any carton cover is r.) etc. Even the "new" white paper is made of monoculture spruce trees that are grown in a managed way and no bald areas are left. In fact, the bald areas are done so small that erosion or windfall is rarely an issue. Our government is bad, they'd sell baby Christ for organs for a buck, but the forest management is alright still. __________________ Dejiko \| Koboshi \| Puchiko \| Misha
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Chiefblackhammer Commander Ham Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,713 Thanks: 4 Thanked 35 Times in 32 Posts Credits: 27,131	Re: Cutting down forests to make toilet paper Yet another reason not to wipe......J/K.... Seriously, my dad deals quite a lot with paper mills, tree management & paper recycling since his company is in the paper chip business and he does a lot of the raw material ordering...it is very common for companies to request recycled materials however there are a lot of case where recycled materials do not meet quality requirement of their customers and so some companies order 'virgin' fibers (as Arrianna put it). That doesn't mean that companies that do ask for 'virgin' fibers are out there destroying the environment and cutting down the rain forest. Trees are highly managed with the equal goal to do what is best for the environment and still maximize profits. It is pure rubbish that companies are destroying the environment with tree harvesting anymore since it is highly managed and in The USA government (EPA) regulated. __________________ \|~AnimeVector~\|
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_gwenibe_ wtf mate? Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,163 Thanks: 1 Thanked 24 Times in 21 Posts Credits: 19,345	Re: Cutting down forests to make toilet paper lol Not all recycled toilet papers are bad, it just depends how much you willing to pay I guess. * is going to investigate prices of recycled toilet paper in the shops* lol! __________________
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ZeRoGravity Upcoming Legend Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 623 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Credits: 132	Re: Cutting down forests to make toilet paper Umm they're cutting down ancient forest that will take hundreds of years to grow back. Lost of habitat? If they can replant the bloody trees then why don't they just have a huge tree farm and use those trees to wipe our asses with instead of messing with our ancient forest? Plus they are just gonna replant trees that they would find it useful for manufacturing so technically our forest will never get back to how it was before. AND they will cut it down again anyways. Monoculture will kill the soil if you didn't know. Don't know about planting trees.
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