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Old Feb 07, 2007, 05:11 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Death penalty - prison overcrowding

What about for those who have been sent to prison but are truely innocent? Death?

You probably think juvies should be tried as adults as well..
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Old Feb 07, 2007, 06:06 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Death penalty - prison overcrowding

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Basically England has been going through a prison overcrowding crisis for some time now, it's even gotten to the point where paedophiles have been let off because the limited space is going to muder, rape etc.

So as in every crisis there are people shouting solutions left, right and center. One of which (that I'm focusing on) is the death penalty. Bringing it back at least, the last death sentence November 1965 was to a man named David Chapman, who was later released but died in a car accident some time after.

So England doesn't have capital punishment, but America (at least) does, so I want to know wether you all out there think it is a just law, based on various POVs, not just morality more like, deterrent, budget, basically whatever you can get your hands on that seems relevant!
Basically bring back the death penalty to kill off prisoners in jail to provide more room in jail ( Am I getting the right idea?). That might work I guess, but how long does the process take for them to get the all clear to kill them, compared to how many people get taken to jail a day? The process might not be quick enough.

Plus you got the problem of wrongly acusing people - then killing them when they are innocent.

Maybe it would be better to solve the problem at the root. like why these people are committing these crimes. Instead of trying to solve the problem once they are in jail.

Or maybe a mixture of the death penalty and stopping the crimes in the first place will help. The death penalty might be just enough to deter people from committing the crime.
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Old Feb 07, 2007, 06:13 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Re: Death penalty - prison overcrowding

I, too, have been researching the "death penalty solution." It actually costs more to have the death penalty - there are costly trials and appeals courts, etc. Some of the states have begun a "reeducation program," teaching the convicts to be productive members of society; that might work better than killing people . . . and the ethics are a bit more sound . . .
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Old Feb 07, 2007, 09:03 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Re: Death penalty - prison overcrowding

they should give the death penalty to those who rape or kill(exept if it was an accident)... why? keeping them in prision costs money... which comes from society, which they harmed by killing or raping someone... so they commited a horrible crime, and they dont contribue 4 society... then why keep them alife?
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Old Feb 08, 2007, 12:02 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Death penalty - prison overcrowding

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What about for those who have been sent to prison but are truely innocent? Death?

You probably think juvies should be tried as adults as well..
Do you even bother to read the posts before Adding your whitty comments? Here I'll shorten it down for ya.

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When a person commits a felony there chances of rehabilitation and integration into society need to be evaluated, anyone who cannot do both should be put to death. Repeat offenders - Death.

Now If your saying that there is someone who has been wrongfully convicted of a crime (I'll address in a second), what do you think their chances of "rehabilitation and integration" would be if they are innocent?

Juveniles..... a 14 year old kid goes on a murderous rampage shooting 12 people to death and thinks he'll get away with it because he's not 18... Death. Because he demonstrated premedatation. Try him as an Adult
A 16 year old kid gets in a fight ,mutual combat, and the fist fight causes brain trauma and the other kid dies. This is unintentional and the kid probably didn't mean to kill the other kid. Do you see a differance here? No? Well one showed that he carefully planned out what he was going to do and how to try and get away with it. Thinking things through like an adult would. The other kid in the heat of the moment causes more damage than he intended or maybe didn't even know he cause that much damage. No deviant thought process demonstrated here.

Wrongfully convicted... Honestly I'm not sure on exactly how many times a conviction can be appealed but I know its at least a few. Now if a jury of your peers finds you guilty of a crime beyond even a reasonable doubt, and then the appeal is looked at and the court comes to the same conclusion then there must be some pretty substantial evidence. In my opinion if your found guilty your just that, guilty.
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Old Feb 08, 2007, 12:41 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: Death penalty - prison overcrowding

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I, too, have been researching the "death penalty solution." It actually costs more to have the death penalty - there are costly trials and appeals courts, etc. Some of the states have begun a "reeducation program," teaching the convicts to be productive members of society; that might work better than killing people . . . and the ethics are a bit more sound . . .
Why does it need to be so expensive? My friend and I discussed several ways in which capital punishment (capital punishment means DEATH, mellow, not punishment in it's various forms-capital as in "head", as in decapitation, etc) could not only be less costly, but turn a handsome profit.

1) Turn the prisons into death arenas, and rake in the cash from Pay-Per-View digital cable.

2) Bring back the firing squads, and make the inmates waiting on death row handload the bullets meant to kill them.

3) Mass graves. It's cheaper to dig a hole with a back hoe once than dig multiple small holes.

4) Grind the remains up into fertilizer, or, if there is no risk of disease spread, grind up the remains into protein-rich feed for cattle.

5) Soylent Green. Need I say more?
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Re: Death penalty - prison overcrowding

i h8 the deth penalty for one rsn... if a person is wrongfully put as guilty and killed then what? they died for nuttin.. just do lyfe in prison unless they plead guilty... then u can inject em or elctrocute em or shoot em i dont care

ps dude above me.. ur a freak of nature.. u go load the bullets meant to kill you douchewad
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Re: Death penalty - prison overcrowding

I honestly like the idea of life in prison better. Then they have to live out the rest of their life knowing because of a stupid decision that most likely devastated another family's life has now ruined any future chance at their life.

Also, I really hate the thought of killing someone who was innocent the whole time. I remember watching this court show about a guy who was convicted for raping and killing a 7-year-old girl. All of the evidence was against him but he valiantly kept saying that he was innocent but no one believed him. He was sentenced to life in prison. As time went by, technology was advancing just as it always has particularly in DNA. The guy heard about this and thought that this could be the way to prove his innocence. They examined the articles of clothing and found DNA of the perpetrator on some of the evidence. It was proven that he was definitely not the bad guy.
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