Mittens1987 (Jun 22, 2010)
umm, yeah you pretty much got it. In my mind God really only gave us two gifts before letting us be: life, and the ability to reason. I wouldn't say that the gift of reason was divinely given either but rather developed over time via evolution. I believe those two gifts themselves empower one greatly, but where people start getting scared is when people start to abuse and manipulate the environment and those around them. This is why Deism has the potential as much as any other belief system to be abused by men of power. However the ones abusing would have to be much smarter to do this because in a belief system that shuns divinity, the only way one can justify their actions is through reason. Deism then relies on its followers to be able to distinguish between someone being logical, or someone just using twisted logic. So while in some religions people can simply say, "it's God's will", in Deism you have to prove your worth. So while susceptible to corruption, it is much more difficult to do so.
That said, it isn't the same kind of security blanket divine religions have where they say, "oh just pray and believe and you will be saved". It lacks that magic faith junk that some people need to function. I personally see nothing wrong with needing to believe in something higher to keep yourself going, because it's basically an advanced practice of positive thinking. However when we start using unexplained phenomena as justification, we begin to get in trouble. Divine religions are truly a double-edged sword, fundamentally sound but prone to abuse by would-be followers.
Mittens1987 (Jun 22, 2010)
Oh, sorry about that, I totally agree with you.
I think Deism presents a challenge to people; one most are not ready to take. Deism requires conscious thought; and...I mean NO offense to anyone, but...I find that organized religion can be followed thoughtlessly.
Deism also leaves humankind responsible for their own actions...when I say that I mean: the creator EXPECTS us to follow nature's laws. Having an expectation is not a demand.
In nature, every action has a reaction; therefore, it is at our own risk to disobey nature's laws. I believe this is what is meant by "punishment" and as the old adage goes, "you reap what you sow".....therein lies the rewards as well; if you follow nature's laws, you shall live a rewarding life.
It's almost like...if Deism were a guy, he'd be all: sorry guys, no 40 virgins for you here.
There are no bells and whistles; it's just logic. If you do well by nature, you shall be pleased with yourself and what you have accomplished. That's all.
Organized religion offers a security blanket in the sense that: it provides a means to disown our very own WILL. Everything becomes the deity's will and any thwarting of that will can be chalked up to "weak faith" and to be sure, there is a ritual of sorts that can be done to cleanse one's self of the committed "sin". Renewed is the faith.
So, on top of the pretty promise of "heaven" (this may be substituted for whichever bell or whistle of another religion), organized religion offers thoughtless practice AND a fuzzy security blanket.
It is no wonder people do not flock towards Deism; although I myself prefer reason and logic over empty promises and mirages.
~mM ... Curiosity killed the cat... Mm~
Consider this: George Bush admitted to a crowd of people down south in front of the media, that the only reason he won the election was because he was a Christian.
The ideals religion provide are something people have strived for for centuries.
The other thing to consider is that with this belief system, everyone is on equal footing in the 'grand scheme' of things. There goes all the misogyny, sexism, racism, etc down the drain. But since there will always be prejudice. . . . . you can't really have this.
2. I think deism could be the future of religion if mass amounts of people were willing to embrace in spite of fear of certain death in some nations.
Humans can still believe in a higher power and have a need for it. The point of Deism is to believe in God how you wish to without having to put a label on it or having to choose a specific god. God is God. Plain and simple.
As far as "Am I going to hell?...yes, indeed I am by all the christian and relative beliefs. Do I have a problem with that? No...because all my friends and most of us are all going to be there LOL. I think right now is our heaven and hell, our time of torment, our time of sorrow and suffering, our time of great joy and laughter, our time of love and happiness.
No hell where sinners roast, no heaven bright.
Where do we go then you ask?
No one knows, no one can prove or disprove, all theories.
I believe in myself, and I have my own beliefs.
I enjoy my life to the fullest, we likely will never have another one. Freedom of choice is ours, and there are no limits to what we can do or enjoy.
This is only my opinion, I normally do not even grace a post about religion because it always ends up in verbal melee fights lmao and I hate drama so my 2 cents on this ordeal.
No god or devil stands before me.
The reason why Deism hasn't caught on?
It lacks structure.
Religion forms structure and makes sense of things. Deism is too open-ended, it forces one to think for themselves. And people lack confidence in finding answers for themselves.
Deism, despite its open-endedness, is also a religion. A rather open one, but it does have a structure. So those who don't want structure at all, don't catch deism either.
I suppose the best way I can describe why it hasn't caught on is...
Water with addable flavors.
Would you rather be given water with several addable (but unnamed) flavors, or an assortment of already-mixed drinks with names?
Most are comfortable with the already-named, already-mixed drinks.
The other option just seems too... experimental... wishy-washy... They're not sure if they'll get the thing they want from it.
Deism is kind of like that... it lacks an already-formed religious-science that explains everything. It has the very basics, but nothing beyond that.
I'd most likely go towards Deism myself, except I follow the rules of Christianity. The teachings of love and forgiveness that we humans have neglected for generations.
...I don't per se trust the Bible completely, as I know it has been used as a tool by mankind for generations. ... I don't trust the preachers and priests, as they've blinded themselves on many respects. ... and I definitely don't trust the denominations, as they bicker too much on the things that don't matter.
I know there's truth in the Bible, as much as there's truth in the teachings of Buddha, the Qu'ran, Hindu, etc. etc. etc.
But I know mankind controlling the messages isn't always the smartest thing to do.
In this sense, I've "aligned" myself closer to Christianity more than any other denomination or religion as I feel it's something I can "find" more truth in than the other religions (the other ones I seem to understand more, but there's so much covered truth to be *found* in Christianity due to how much mankind has muddled and regurgitated its words and teachings).
In truth, I know there is one true God - as it makes sense of how all these rules came into existence... afterall, without these rules, nothing would truly "exist". Structure and rules have bent chaos into a tangible object, and I believe God is the One who did that.
I also believe of the existence of the other gods, the other spirits, the deities, the demons... I believe they're all in existence, whether man-made or not: They have power.
However, I don't pray to any of them.
My form of prayer is closer to that of Protestant Christianity (though I see the actual effect of Catholic Prayer as a more efficient tool on certain subjects that Protestant Prayer can't begin to touch). And I pray to God.
I am thankful for what Jesus has given, but I understand that humanity has muddled the teachings and made it so blurry that I'm not sure what to trust other than what's in my own pondering heart. At the same time, I'm thankful for all the prophets and spiritual leaders that have come down to Earth to teach... whether they're false prophets, aliens, or whatever: They all taught us something important. And for that, I'm thankful.
So in the end... Deism isn't for me. Not because it's too open-ended, as I am quite open for that. But because it sometimes denies the other religions out there, when there's so much to learn from them.
I'll stick to Christianity as the title that they call me, despite that no Christian that hears what I believe thinks I'm a Christian. Well, what can you do?