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Old Jun 07, 2008, 05:03 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Re: Do you believe in Ghosts?

but what about defusion? wouldn't the "energy" go into the world... if what you say is true then how come they "stay" in one form and dissolve into the unocupied space...
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Old Jun 08, 2008, 02:15 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Re: Do you believe in Ghosts?

i strongly believe in ghosts. and that ghosts can inhabit not only places, but humans, items, and other things. i do not believe that all are bad, but the few that are can be taken care of with exorcisms, and holy items.
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Old Jun 08, 2008, 09:51 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Re: Do you believe in Ghosts?

I believe in ghosts, but yet have I experienced an encounter. I mean, there have been times where I think I've experienced some freaky sh!t, but not really.
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Old Jun 08, 2008, 02:06 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Re: Do you believe in Ghosts?

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but what about defusion? wouldn't the "energy" go into the world... if what you say is true then how come they "stay" in one form and dissolve into the unocupied space...
Dissolve how? Not all energy can be seen (if not most) why would it need to dissolve to be "ghostly"? If there is actual intelligence involved as long as remained self aware would it not continue to exist?

You find the energy concept all over the world. The concept is that the soul is actually made of two thing, the body (physical) and the spirit (energy). Without the spirit the body cannot move as it has no "intelligence". Some believe that there is a "pool" of energy that is drawn from when something is born and that when they die they return to that "pool" along with their memories. Another, and sometimes conjunctive, belief is that the energy recycles from one form to another after death (reincarnation). The last is that there is "intelligent energy", a life form if you like that does not need a physical body, that enters physical forms upon their life beginning that then continues to exist after the death of the physical form. There is a split in this belief though about whether the intelligence was actually aware previous to being given shape in physical form or whether it's life/body shapes and creates the resulting intelligence.


On the discussion of ghosts though you cannot leave out residual hauntings or places where the land itself has recorded things that happened in the past and continually replays them like a CD player stuck on repeat.
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Old Jun 08, 2008, 07:14 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Re: Do you believe in Ghosts?

but the laws of deffusion say that :
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Diffusion refers to the process by which molecules intermingle as a result of their kinetic energy of random motion. Consider two containers of gas A and B separated by a partition. The molecules of both gases are in constant motion and make numerous collisions with the partition. If the partition is removed as in the lower illustration, the gases will mix because of the random velocities of their molecules. In time a uniform mixture of A and B molecules will be produced in the container.
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well mainly that anything that has a less density in one thing will move out and fill the entire space... like water in one egg in a cup of something... all the water will be fored by defussion to go and eqaul the amounts... and put it in H2O it will swell up... I hope that has been helpfull... but why not with the "energy" from the humans...
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well mainly that anything that has a less density in one thing will move out and fill the entire space... like water in one egg in a cup of something...
Yes but that is a law concerning physical properties where as the concept of an energy spirit requires a separate force that is able to mingle and bind with physical matter. I don't believe it applies. Energy can be contained, shaped, transformed, and transfered. It doesn't osmoses or diffuse to spread it's molecules evenly since it uses molecules but is not made of them. Another way to think of it would be as a currently unknown type of matter made of energy itself. Based on that it would have a form just as physical matter has a form. It would no more diffuse to other "spiritual energy" then my body is going to diffuse with someone half my weight to equalize the difference in our density; instead elements of my body will diffuse and osmoses with other elements of my body to equalize specific things. Another way of considering it could be that perhaps the container or "skin" in this case is magnetically based since areas with high "spirit" activity are supposed to register on electro-magnetic counters during such activity.

Am I making any sense?
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Re: Do you believe in Ghosts?

yes, so what if you were cut or something... whould not some "leak" out... mybe also there some active transport going on also with "enegry" haveing to be taken from things like food... just an idea...

and even if this "energy" could stabalize it would most likely causeing a lot more damige then just some of these spokeings and stuff... isn't it mostly that energy comes in forms of heat or light... then why not this form...
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Re: Do you believe in Ghosts?

Do not underestimate human willpower. If there's enough driving force behind it, enough willpower to hold it together, the soul can hold itself together, becoming a ghost. Depending on what the driving force is influences what type of ghost it becomes, fear or terror possibly creating "Death Echos" as they called it on Supernatural last night (Cool Show!), where the ghost is stuck in a constant loop, reliving their deaths for eternity. Anger, betrayal, psychotic leanings & other things like that possibly creating dangerous ghosts & poltergeists, ghosts which throw things around. Love, needing to look after someone, etc. I'd say create the guardian ones, the ones who watch over the living while incomplete tasks make ghosts who seek to complete whatever it is they see as incomplete.

As long as there's something giving it a reason to hold itself together, any soul could potentially become a ghost. It's kinda like the surface tension on a droplet of water sitting on a leaf. If the "skin" of the droplet has enough strength behind it, it'll keep the droplet together. But if it doesn't, it won't be able to hold itself together causing it to break up & roll off the leaf. In this case the water's "skin" is the reason behind the ghost, with the water itself the spirit which becomes the ghost.

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Do not underestimate human willpower. If there's enough driving force behind it, enough willpower to hold it together, the soul can hold itself together, becoming a ghost. Depending on what the driving force is influences what type of ghost it becomes, fear or terror possibly creating "Death Echos" as they called it on Supernatural last night (Cool Show!), where the ghost is stuck in a constant loop, reliving their deaths for eternity. Anger, betrayal, psychotic leanings & other things like that possibly creating dangerous ghosts & poltergeists, ghosts which throw things around. Love, needing to look after someone, etc. I'd say create the guardian ones, the ones who watch over the living while incomplete tasks make ghosts who seek to complete whatever it is they see as incomplete.

As long as there's something giving it a reason to hold itself together, any soul could potentially become a ghost. It's kinda like the surface tension on a droplet of water sitting on a leaf. If the "skin" of the droplet has enough strength behind it, it'll keep the droplet together. But if it doesn't, it won't be able to hold itself together causing it to break up & roll off the leaf. In this case the water's "skin" is the reason behind the ghost, with the water itself the spirit which becomes the ghost.

And so you have experienced an incident then.
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Old Jun 09, 2008, 04:04 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Re: Do you believe in Ghosts?

I believe in ghosts and it is not because of my religion, because I don't believe in love.
I think loving God is much easier than loving a man who is a complete idiot, why I say
this is I look at everyone elses life around me and alot of them are married and are
miserable because they got married and they have admitted it and I know for sure
that it is because they are married they are miserable and yes I do love people
(contradictory) so what I am really saying is I have limited beliefs in love.
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Old Jun 09, 2008, 05:17 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Re: Do you believe in Ghosts?

if it wuz 2 me all of u guys r rite 4rm da start i also believe in them no doubt about it cuz i think i encounter one well not physically but i think it wuz prankin me some how let me tell u wat im talkin about i wuz gettin a brush 4rm my mom's car it took me like couple of mins lookin 4 a brush so when i gave up i heard all da doors wuz lock *ps i had da car keys in my hand da whole time n da car door wuz close also n it wuz dark outside no garage lights wuz on cuz their wasn't any light balb*anyways i got so scared n unlock da closest door n ran out but then i realize dat my twin bro mite b prankin me so i ran inside da house ask my bro wuz he outside tryin 2 prank me he say no n he said he wuz on da comp. da whole time, i told my mom dat her car wuz hunted sshe got confuse 1st then told me didnt believe me....so concludes it u guys r not da only one spook n believe in ghost....XD....
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