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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    its not the fact that most wont do that, its the fact that someone will, no matter if its only one person or thousands, lives may be in stake because of those kinds of shows and the US was right in making it illegal.

    Taking a chance to risk a life (may it only be one) is still too much for us to make these shows legal

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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    Oh my goodness If you're going to make an argument BACK IT UP!!!

    First: there's no such thing as a person doing something just because they see it done (especially if they see it in a work of fiction.) Any one who does is either playing doumb or is already insane. Therefore you cannot blame stupidity and insanity on one thing. The U.S. is great at making scapegoats and bad at enforcing their laws... They should focus more on the millions of lives that are ruined in thier country alone from drug abuse and lack of care for people who are mentally unstable.
    Second: Saying that something is wrong just because you think that it is; that's ignorance... I've already said this fartoo much so why don't you learn for yourself that it's not ok to try and force your views onto other people.

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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    Quote Originally Posted by anime_being_god View Post
    its not the fact that most wont do that, its the fact that someone will, no matter if its only one person or thousands, lives may be in stake because of those kinds of shows and the US was right in making it illegal.

    Taking a chance to risk a life (may it only be one) is still too much for us to make these shows legal
    Well, isn't that the same with video games, books, hentai, and movies? I mean, at least one person's life has to be in stake because some mentally-unstable person will copy what they see, right? Therefore, using your reasoning and applying it to other media that can also aggravate a mentally-unstable person into doing something bad, I see that granting Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street, Grand Theft Auto, and the movie Oldboy legal status is definitely too much a risk for "the greater good". Aren't these things also "bad" because they could induce someone insane to do something harmful? Also, using this logic, S&M hentai doesn't seem any different from lolicon and shotacon except for the ages of the fictional characters. Illegal and what most consider depraved things both happen in such media; why not ban S&M hentai while we're at it? After all, "its not the fact that most wont do that, its the fact that someone will, no matter if its only one person or thousands, lives may be in stake because of those kinds of shows".

    You've said that you agree with my previous post, but it seems my point hasn't come across at all. To sum it up: I think pornography involving real children is bad, but I don't think lolicon and shotacon should be illegal. Am I clear now, or still clear as mud?

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    well just as long as we all agree that lolicon and shotacon is bad, and should not be watched then im fine with ur statments
    Guess you'll never be fine with my opinions... If I really did think lolicon and shotacon was a bad thing, I wouldn't have argued in support of it or uploaded my current signature.
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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    Quote Originally Posted by anime_being_god View Post
    and the US was right in making it illegal.
    Actually, in the United States, it is legal. There is no legal precident for prosecuting molestation of "virtual" children. If there is no victim: no crime has been committed.

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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    Quote Originally Posted by tsurara View Post
    Actually, in the United States, it is legal. There is no legal precident for prosecuting molestation of "virtual" children. If there is no victim: no crime has been committed.
    So why do you think that in all the animes and hentais with lolita in them the ages are always changed from however young they were to 18. Thats why its ok because they aren't looking at a 12 year old shes just an extremly underdeveloped 18 year old. I don't agree with this idea I just know it happens.
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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Billum256 View Post
    So why do you think that in all the animes and hentais with lolita in them the ages are always changed from however young they were to 18. Thats why its ok because they aren't looking at a 12 year old shes just an extremly underdeveloped 18 year old. I don't agree with this idea I just know it happens.
    A few reasons:

    1) molestation of a child is considered a morally reprehensible act and any company endorsing the act in the United States would likely be targetted by media watchdog groups, religious groups, and the subject of widespread moral outrage.

    2) Many states have standing anti-obscenity laws... with 'obscenity' being vaguely defined and applied to just about anything that a watchdog group or private citizen finds offensive. Under obscenity laws: labelled, shrink-wrapped adult comics sold to a properly-carded adult have been the subject of lawsuits under the pretense that comics, all comics, are aimed toward children and therefore, adult comics are porn for kids and are, by that logic, obscene. Other states have challenged gay porn as obscene... scat... bestiality sites... etc.

    3) Better safe than sorry. Virtual child porn has been challenged in the past and is the subject of a certain amount of debate. There is a law on the books now that makes virtual pornography POTENTIALLY prosecutable... and while a very similar law has been struck down as unconstitutional: it's a legal grey area that most companies would rather not risk dabbling in.

    Ask yourself this: what person playing a porno game is stupid enough to think that Japanese college girls eat school lunch together in their classrooms, wear schoolgirl uniforms, go to gym class, take 'entrance exams' (for what... if they're already in college?!) and fellate their teachers at recess?

    In most cases the 'age up' censorship is negligent. Simply changing the words in the character manual and changing every 'high school' to 'college' isn't enough to remove the obvious underage appeal of an obviously underage fetish character or game. It wouldn't be enough in the case that the games were ACTUALLY breaking a law.

    Sort of like writing in the manual for Grand Theft Auto 'The hero fires red paintballs from his weapons' and then excusing the game completely from violence.

    It's a cop-out, designed to keep the overzealous from targetting the games for moral-outrage campaigns. They're not fooling anyone who's actually into the material or who knows jack about Japanese culture, female development, or the fandom (ie EVERYONE who would be playing an erogame in the first place) and they know it.

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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    But they are fooling those who don't know about the japanese culture, you admit to that right? And just because you hide something doesn't mean that it isn't there.
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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    The same agrument that i have is shown by the people who agrue that video games cause violence, and no matter u people may say it is somewhat true.

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