Thread: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

Originally Posted by zyta

I have seen a lot of "It's wrong" and "It's bad' and some "It's sick" without anything really solid to back it up except their own believes.

I tried looking through various materials to find where Lolicon or even Shotacon is immoral, some places I have looked are the Bible, couple ancient and somewhat recent cultures (South American, African and some European), and i haven't seen yet a definate sign that says it is wrong - though to be honest i didn't spend too much time on each refrence before moving on.

Why do you believe that it is wrong? Could it be because children are "pure"? I don't buy that at all, i seriously doubt that any child today who has seen tv for a full day - no matter the channel - they will be influenced by lustful, self-conscious, and murderous ads for movies, skin products, or clothes. Maybe even all three at once.

Could your thinking come from biblical morals? Seriously doubt that too as it was highly common for a thirteen year old to be married and soon to be with child. Marry 'em young and get them ready for motherhood was essentially their purpose.

So what other reason could their be? I know there has to be some reason why you, and nearly everyone else alive, thinks that way. I don't know, perhaps it is a way to say "Hey, We're humans and we're more superior. We can hold off on these little ones and really do them when their older! MWAHAHAH!"

What about those children that start it, huh? Oh wait, that can't be possible... they are innocent and pure. As adults i know we LOVE to feel that children are ignorant and don't know what they are talking about, especially when it comes to sex, drugs, and the future as a whole. I know i sometimes do the same with my 7 year old brother, just makes life incredibly easier thinking he knows nothing of that. Really my opinion, but i think that all children are far more mature than more adults make them out to be and so they try "act" more mature in an attempt to have their close adult family/teachers/friends see them as mature and not as a child anymore.

YOU DONT HAVE TO LOOK FAR TO REALIZE THAT LOLICON AND SHOTACON IS AN IMMORAL THING!

I mean really, who wants to see little baby girls put to sexual intercousrse with older dudes around the age of 20-sometimes 60's? Its sick, theres nothing else needed to back it up....i mean have u ever seen one????? OMG its crazy that people even made them. Whats wrong with society anymore, stuff like this wouldnt even been thought of 40 or 50 years ago

Addressing the S&M subject, and banning all S&M hentai- THIS JUST IN- S&M ISNT ILLEGAL!


as for weither its moral or not, it really is up to the subject to decide. some say that porn in any form is immoral. morals are, in all actuallity, one's own belifs to what is right and what is wrong. if someone doesnt think that its wrong to watch small children and adults having sex, then i guess thats their problem.

and no, children are RARELY "pure". and thats why in lots of shows, children are bad guys.

Originally Posted by anime_being_god

YOU DONT HAVE TO LOOK FAR TO REALIZE THAT LOLICON AND SHOTACON IS AN IMMORAL THING!

I mean really, who wants to see little baby girls put to sexual intercousrse with older dudes around the age of 20-sometimes 60's? Its sick, theres nothing else needed to back it up....i mean have u ever seen one????? OMG its crazy that people even made them. Whats wrong with society anymore, stuff like this wouldnt even been thought of 40 or 50 years ago

Once again you fail to make a supporting argument so allow me to do it for you then shoot it down because I grow tired of arguing with a person incapable of trying to prove their view without supporting it...

You could argue that it is wrong to treat children as sexual object because it is not right to exploit the inexperienced into making a choice or doing something that they are not fully capable of handling... or you could hold to your guns on the whole rapist thing. (which would inevitably be shot down in the long run) However just saying that something is wrong because of what it is is not adequate proof.

As for the argument that I proposed this would apply and be true if the targets were actually REAL (that's the key word here) as long as things remain fake and children aren't getting pregnant and being forced to raise a child under impossible circumstances (what 13 year-old could get a job to support a child in this day and age?) then there is virtually nothing wrong with waht is ultimately harmless fun that allows people to draw the line between what must be reality and what is fantasy... afterall if they weren't given the opportunity to experience fantasy in some form then they'd have to find outlets in the real world... (that'd be what your're afraid of.) Therefore having these so called porno's and such allow people who are sexually frustrated a release (as was stated earlier by Abby) and are actually a means of defense against the thing of which you are so fearing.

Originally Posted by Ochi Gate

Addressing the S&M subject, and banning all S&M hentai- THIS JUST IN- S&M ISNT ILLEGAL!


as for weither its moral or not, it really is up to the subject to decide. some say that porn in any form is immoral. morals are, in all actuallity, one's own belifs to what is right and what is wrong. if someone doesnt think that its wrong to watch small children and adults having sex, then i guess thats their problem.

and no, children are RARELY "pure". and thats why in lots of shows, children are bad guys.

Children are not pure just inexperienced. While we cannot shelter them from everything we should keep this in mind when considering what it is appropriate to expose them to.
As far as your understanding of morality I'm gald that someone else knows the true definition of that particular subject. Thank you.

To quote R. Kelly's lawyer (from an episode of The Boondocks):

"The ancient Romans used to have sexual intercourse with young males. Do say that they were wrong? In early America, the forfathers of this very country would take wives as young as twelve years old. Were they perverts? In Japan you can buy a teenaged girl's panties from a vending machine. Do we call them, 'Sickos'?"

Not to defend anyone who wishes to fantasize about young girls, or sound like I'm approving of anything, but it's just a matter of opinion. Just like many here have stated, moral opinion is simply nothing more than what it is called. A moral opinion. A thought based from what YOU believe is right or wrong. Sometimes people will share morals with each other and more often than not, they are accepted. But everyone is different and each person has his/her own unique needs and desires.

If a grown man were to touch my child in a sexual manner, would I get angry? Yes!! Would I say it's wrong? Definitely! It's my friggin' child! Now, say that the same adult male is only looking at loli/shotacon via his PC or whatever. Is he touching a child? No. Will he? Who knows? But I know that it'll probably keep his fetish where it belongs; and that's at his own place of residence. Yeah, sometimes sh*t happens and things are beyond our control. And yeah, sometimes we're incapable of sheltering our children from the dangers of the world. But you can't persecute a person for having desires he/she cannot control.

If they aren't doin' anything that will affect anybody's physical or mental health, then just let them be. What they're doin' isn't wrong, because they haven't done anything illegal.

thank you atomik ^_^ you really drove that onehome I really liked the openbecause I didn't know all of those facts.. any how you made your point obvious and made it clear that you were expressing an opinion (the way it should be done) people can really learn from your example

Originally Posted by Corvus

Once again you fail to make a supporting argument so allow me to do it for you then shoot it down because I grow tired of arguing with a person incapable of trying to prove their view without supporting it...

You could argue that it is wrong to treat children as sexual object because it is not right to exploit the inexperienced into making a choice or doing something that they are not fully capable of handling... or you could hold to your guns on the whole rapist thing. (which would inevitably be shot down in the long run) However just saying that something is wrong because of what it is is not adequate proof.

As for the argument that I proposed this would apply and be true if the targets were actually REAL

But the thing is, it IS real, this has happen in REAL LIFE before!

this, as i said before, really does fall into the same categorey as "video games making killers" and "TV turning people to zombies".

im no phsycologist or human calculator, but let's say that 20% (i think a generous slice) of humans have the mentality to be dangerously imprinted by the things he/she sees in Video games, TV, and in this case, Lolicon and Shotacon. after delving into his/her new hobby, they now have a new fetish; little kid anime porn. out of the 20% that i mentioned as dangerously impressionable, only about a fifth of them (another innacurately large portion) would watch it. remember, i'm including the others who watch TV and play Video games instead)

out of this 1/5th of 20%, a very small number (its hard to guess, maybe a fifth of that?) would be engraved enough by the lolicon to not be satisfiyed by it, and eventually go out and have sex with children.

you cant really blame children being raped on lolicon and Shotacon. i didnt include the other people out of the entire 100% who already just plainly liked children, without ever even hearing of Lolicon, or even hentai at all. in fact, i would wager no more than 35-40% or the world's population even watched hentai. (they would stick to "real" porn, or dont watch any)

in all honesty, its very pig-headish to blame one's extream activities (killing, stealing, raping children) on mediums such as video games, the televison, or the internet. most of the people who watch stuff just do their buissiness and then are done with it, and you would never know them differently.

as for my personal views on it in general, i dont think its right to watch little kids have sex with grown adults. what i am saying is that you cant blame the act in real life on the medium in fantasy.