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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ochi Gate View Post
    this, as i said before, really does fall into the same categorey as "video games making killers" and "TV turning people to zombies".

    im no phsycologist or human calculator, but let's say that 20% (i think a generous slice) of humans have the mentality to be dangerously imprinted by the things he/she sees in Video games, TV, and in this case, Lolicon and Shotacon. after delving into his/her new hobby, they now have a new fetish; little kid anime porn. out of the 20% that i mentioned as dangerously impressionable, only about a fifth of them (another innacurately large portion) would watch it. remember, i'm including the others who watch TV and play Video games instead)

    out of this 1/5th of 20%, a very small number (its hard to guess, maybe a fifth of that?) would be engraved enough by the lolicon to not be satisfiyed by it, and eventually go out and have sex with children.

    you cant really blame children being raped on lolicon and Shotacon. i didnt include the other people out of the entire 100% who already just plainly liked children, without ever even hearing of Lolicon, or even hentai at all. in fact, i would wager no more than 35-40% or the world's population even watched hentai. (they would stick to "real" porn, or dont watch any)

    in all honesty, its very pig-headish to blame one's extream activities (killing, stealing, raping children) on mediums such as video games, the televison, or the internet. most of the people who watch stuff just do their buissiness and then are done with it, and you would never know them differently.

    as for my personal views on it in general, i dont think its right to watch little kids have sex with grown adults. what i am saying is that you cant blame the act in real life on the medium in fantasy.

    I agree that this doesnt happen much, i didnt say it does, but that fact that it at least has happen, and has shown the potential to push ones sick thoughts over the edge should be a enough reason to not allow such things as lolicon.

    A phycologist suggested that the anime porn that man was watching helped push his feelings for childern over the edge. So now that 4 or 5 young girls around the age of 5 or so were raped and killed becuase some horny sick bastards want to keep lolicon on the web and on our dvds.

    Public sentiment against animated child pornography was revived in 2005 for a reason, because a guy was arrested for the murder three 6/7-year-old girls in Nara, and was suspected as a lolicon.

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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    Well, most of the lolicon/shotacon that i've seen the chars/people are around middle school age, and it should be noted that the age of consent in japan is 13, so most of the loli/shouta stuff would be like have a 16/17 year old here, and there are plenty of places that have sugestive stuff for kids there age that mostpeople dont have a problem with.
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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    Quote Originally Posted by MechaShadowV2 View Post
    Well, most of the lolicon/shotacon that i've seen the chars/people are around middle school age, and it should be noted that the age of consent in japan is 13, so most of the loli/shouta stuff would be like have a 16/17 year old here, and there are plenty of places that have sugestive stuff for kids there age that mostpeople dont have a problem with.
    well im directing this more towards people 10 and under....
    But yes I think its still called lolicon if its under a certain age i think, i dont really know for sure.lol

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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    Quote Originally Posted by MechaShadowV2 View Post
    Well, most of the lolicon/shotacon that i've seen the chars/people are around middle school age, and it should be noted that the age of consent in japan is 13, so most of the loli/shouta stuff would be like have a 16/17 year old here, and there are plenty of places that have sugestive stuff for kids there age that mostpeople dont have a problem with.
    It's not actually considered lolicon or shotacon unless the character is under the acceptable -Japanese- age of consent or drawn in an obviously prepubescent style. Older Junior High school students and up are fair game for legit porno in Japan... which is creepy as hell, but the way it is (though models in hardcore photos/videos must all be 18 or older, it's not uncommon to see them in Junior High uniforms pretending to be much younger than they are).

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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    Quote Originally Posted by tsurara View Post
    It's not actually considered lolicon or shotacon unless the character is under the acceptable -Japanese- age of consent or drawn in an obviously prepubescent style. Older Junior High school students and up are fair game for legit porno in Japan... which is creepy as hell, but the way it is (though models in hardcore photos/videos must all be 18 or older, it's not uncommon to see them in Junior High uniforms pretending to be much younger than they are).
    huh, really, well thanks for the info there, just goes to show you learn something new every day :P, and as for high schoolers in porno, thats also becoming more common place here, i've ran across many "soft porn" sites that have 15 year old girls posing in there underwhere and suggestive poses, stuff like that, but since there not completly naked it seems to be legit, scary, imo.


    as a side note to all those who think drawn child porn is ok, its not, its still illegal at least where i live, and its proven that eventually the majority of people who have "fantasies" of molosting kids will eventually do it for real, also, its just kinda creepy, i mean, what do you find atractive to someone who isnt even develod yet?
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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    Quote Originally Posted by MechaShadowV2 View Post
    :P, and as for high schoolers in porno, thats also becoming more common place here, i've ran across many "soft porn" sites that have 15 year old girls posing in there underwhere and suggestive poses, stuff like that,
    you mean Myspace?

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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    Quote Originally Posted by tsurara View Post
    you mean Myspace?



    rofl, yeah, that is one place, but just doing searches on the net you can find it there too, whats really anoyying is when your looking for an anime char and in the search is a half naked teenager, which happens alot, heck, i can just type in anime and get porn pics of real people , never been able to figure that one out.
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    Re: The Ethics of Lolicon and Shotacon.

    Quote Originally Posted by MechaShadowV2 View Post
    as a side note to all those who think drawn child porn is ok, its not, its still illegal at least where i live, and its proven that eventually the majority of people who have "fantasies" of molosting kids will eventually do it for real, also, its just kinda creepy, i mean, what do you find atractive to someone who isnt even develod yet?
    Anyone who dreams of molesting a real child is a sicko to me. Anyone who dreams of hurting anyone and has clung onto that fantasy for dear life is a danger to society to me.

    But how many lolicon and shotacon fans are even interested in real children? The things that might make a person like lolicon and shotacon might not be found in real children, too... Like, say, the knowledge of the fact that no one was hurt in the production of lolicon and shotacon? That you aren't actually hurting anyone's feelings and betraying your empathetic side? I know this sounds crazy, but perhaps there are fans of lolicon and shotacon who are actually responsible adults, who may not even be attracted to by real children at all.
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