Anime Online
Home Forums Gallery Reviews RPG Arcade AO Magazine Links Rules / FAQ

Welcome to AnimeOnline.net, your personal Anime Community!

Anime Online Rulez!



Go Back   Anime Online > Mixed Flava > Debate and Discuss

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old Dec 28, 2006, 10:43 PM   #12 (permalink)
wtf mate?
 
_gwenibe_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,167
Thanks: 1
Thanked 24 Times in 21 Posts
_gwenibe_ may be famous one day_gwenibe_ may be famous one day
Credits: 19,525
Re: Global Warming, the new religion.

In some ways it has become like religion in a sense that you either believe it or you dont.

But then again isn't that the case with most scientific debate? One scientist believes one side global warming - because of "evidence". And the other scientist think different because of a piece of "evidence" that states otherwise.

Though I can't think of one right now, debates like this have happened in the past.

Slowly but surely, more an dmore scientist are realising global warming is a real threat. I think the debate will probably move more towards the better way of fixing/preventing it.

but like hassun said - if religion is needed to help then go ahead, something needs to be done!
__________________
Status: Offline
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Dec 29, 2006, 06:26 AM   #13 (permalink)
shittle
 
Hassun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Pretiacruento
Posts: 7,113
Thanks: 0
Thanked 46 Times in 40 Posts
Hassun is making a name for themselvesHassun is making a name for themselves
Credits: 27,124
Re: Global Warming, the new religion.

Of course it all boils down to cold hard money. We ARE capitalists after all.
If the industrialists backing the government don't agree it's just not going to happen.
I think it's safe to say (like LenMiyata has proven) that the general consensus in the USA is to diminish the importance of global warming.
This was also visible when the Kyoto protocol crashed and burned without the support from the USA (and -to a lesser extent- Australia).
__________________

Last edited by Hassun; Dec 29, 2006 at 06:52 AM.
Status: Offline
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Dec 29, 2006, 11:11 AM   #14 (permalink)
Lady Barronmore
 
Arrianna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 3,110
Thanks: 13
Thanked 65 Times in 55 Posts
Arrianna is making a name for themselvesArrianna is making a name for themselves
Credits: 47,761
Re: Global Warming, the new religion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LenMiyata View Post
Grumble Grumble Grumble

This issue isn't so much a Religions crusade, (that is, unless you consider the worship of $$$ a religion), ultimately boils down to MONEY...

For a government to actually address the issues of Global Warming, would require a reallocation of government goals and funding, changes to the tax structure, and major changes to the world economy. The disruptions that would be caused by this are not only undesirable to persons and companies in position of power and influence, they represent a threat for their ability to make $$$. So it's not surprising that they would try to deny or suppress research that is counter to their position...

Now scientist who disagree, this is the natural state of Science. Ideas and data MUST be discussed and debated, and the majority consensus will agree on the most correct ideas and information. As a comparison to your Exxon researchers, the link that first connected tobacco products to lung cancer was first discovered in the late 1950s, yet Tobacco company sponsored researchers claimed up to only a few years ago that the scientific data was invalid and that there was no cancer link to tobacco...

And I see your 8 Attorney Generals with the Supreme Court case concerning the EPA and Greenhouse gases...
Global warming debate hits Supreme Court - CNN.com
I will agree that there are governments who are against this subject due to economics. There seems to be some agreement that it would cost 1% of a countries GDP to put the measures they wish into effect. That doesn't sound like a lot until you realize that the US's GPD is $12.31 trillion so it would take $123.1 billion. If you think that would have an impact imagine what kind of effect 1% of the GDP in a poorer country would do to them?

Butttt... at least the economists are talking about it. They are not the ones I am referring to. It's the ones who won't discuss it that I am pointing at. Which makes it really funny that Alan Thorpe has challenged skeptics to a debate and it is all over the place. Yet I have been reading of challenges from the skeptics for over 10 years and it's never made it past minor publications or editorials. I will be interested to see if he follows through or if it is just another sound bite in the war of ideals.

Cubz provided some really good points earlier. Why doesn't someone try his suggestion and go to a University and tell people that global warming is just a natural occurrence. See what happens. I've only called it in question on another forum and was accused of being in "in denial until the bitter end".
__________________

l Stone Hold l Now We're Cooking! l Thanks to Kaos for the awesome sig!
Status: Offline
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Dec 29, 2006, 03:40 PM   #15 (permalink)
shittle
 
Hassun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Pretiacruento
Posts: 7,113
Thanks: 0
Thanked 46 Times in 40 Posts
Hassun is making a name for themselvesHassun is making a name for themselves
Credits: 27,124
Re: Global Warming, the new religion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arrianna View Post
I will agree that there are governments who are against this subject due to economics. There seems to be some agreement that it would cost 1% of a countries GDP to put the measures they wish into effect. That doesn't sound like a lot until you realize that the US's GPD is $12.31 trillion so it would take $123.1 billion. If you think that would have an impact imagine what kind of effect 1% of the GDP in a poorer country would do to them?

Butttt... at least the economists are talking about it. They are not the ones I am referring to. It's the ones who won't discuss it that I am pointing at. Which makes it really funny that Alan Thorpe has challenged skeptics to a debate and it is all over the place. Yet I have been reading of challenges from the skeptics for over 10 years and it's never made it past minor publications or editorials. I will be interested to see if he follows through or if it is just another sound bite in the war of ideals.

Cubz provided some really good points earlier. Why doesn't someone try his suggestion and go to a University and tell people that global warming is just a natural occurrence. See what happens. I've only called it in question on another forum and was accused of being in "in denial until the bitter end".
I don't know which university you people go to but if I tried that at the university over here they would organize a debate evening about it with students and every teacher who's willing to attack/defend the statement.

In fact, there recently was such a debate (although the original subject was the Kyoto protocol).
Most teachers agreed that the human effect on global warming is not to be underestimated (heavy industry and traffic being major problems) and that regions in Europe could be in danger because of the temperature increase.

E.g.
Most of The Netherlands is located under sea level, because the ice of the North Pole is melting there is a serious threat of floods. If the dikes can't hold then most of the country will be flooded.

Spain could be facing an even more troublesome problem. The Sahara in northern Africa is moving to the north. If global warming increases at this rate there is a large possibility that the desert will start claiming land from Spain.
__________________
Status: Offline
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Dec 30, 2006, 01:49 PM   #16 (permalink)
Lady Barronmore
 
Arrianna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 3,110
Thanks: 13
Thanked 65 Times in 55 Posts
Arrianna is making a name for themselvesArrianna is making a name for themselves
Credits: 47,761
Re: Global Warming, the new religion.

Ok, I want to know the name of your University so my kids can go there. I don't know a single University where you wouldn't get a reaction if you tried that. If you test it and you are right I will pay the money for my kids to get in.
__________________

l Stone Hold l Now We're Cooking! l Thanks to Kaos for the awesome sig!
Status: Offline
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Dec 30, 2006, 02:13 PM   #17 (permalink)
wtf mate?
 
_gwenibe_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,167
Thanks: 1
Thanked 24 Times in 21 Posts
_gwenibe_ may be famous one day_gwenibe_ may be famous one day
Credits: 19,525
Re: Global Warming, the new religion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hassun View Post
I don't know which university you people go to but if I tried that at the university over here they would organize a debate evening about it with students and every teacher who's willing to attack/defend the statement.


That's kinda the same where I am going aswell. The uni I go to is big on business and the environment - so we get a clash.
The business area claims to be teaching "environmentally friendly methods"
But the students who have studied both areas (environment and business) say otherwise.

But just in the Environment course ( though they seem to focus more on sustainablitly). We have regularly had debates on different sides of environmental/ global warming issues.
__________________
Status: Offline
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Dec 30, 2006, 02:19 PM   #18 (permalink)
shittle
 
Hassun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Pretiacruento
Posts: 7,113
Thanks: 0
Thanked 46 Times in 40 Posts
Hassun is making a name for themselvesHassun is making a name for themselves
Credits: 27,124
Re: Global Warming, the new religion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arrianna View Post
Ok, I want to know the name of your University so my kids can go there. I don't know a single University where you wouldn't get a reaction if you tried that. If you test it and you are right I will pay the money for my kids to get in.
Well, we can't deny that there was a reaction can we?
A good reaction.

Those events are organised by the students/teachers of political studies.
There are debates about all sorts of things almost every week.
__________________
Status: Offline
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Dec 30, 2006, 03:10 PM   #19 (permalink)
3 Highscores
Otaku
 
exderz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: IHouse
Posts: 364
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
exderz may be famous one dayexderz may be famous one day
Credits: 1,391
Re: Global Warming, the new religion.

excuse me a religion? it doesn't matter if you belive in global warming. global warming = pollution, you can't really belive it. its really up to us to stop it so there is no point of beliving it. oh ya Arrianna try some universities in canada.
Status: Offline
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Dec 30, 2006, 03:31 PM   #20 (permalink)
shittle
 
Hassun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Pretiacruento
Posts: 7,113
Thanks: 0
Thanked 46 Times in 40 Posts
Hassun is making a name for themselvesHassun is making a name for themselves
Credits: 27,124
Re: Global Warming, the new religion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by exderz View Post
excuse me a religion? it doesn't matter if you belive in global warming. global warming = pollution, you can't really belive it. its really up to us to stop it so there is no point of beliving it. oh ya Arrianna try some universities in canada.
That's not completely true. Global warming isn't just related to pollution.
__________________
Status: Offline
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Dec 30, 2006, 04:13 PM   #21 (permalink)
3 Highscores
Otaku
 
exderz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: IHouse
Posts: 364
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
exderz may be famous one dayexderz may be famous one day
Credits: 1,391
Re: Global Warming, the new religion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hassun View Post
That's not completely true. Global warming isn't just related to pollution.
we are talking about the main reason....and pretty much it is.
Status: Offline
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Dec 30, 2006, 05:22 PM   #22 (permalink)
Grouchy Old Anime Otaku
 
LenMiyata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Silicon Valley, California
Posts: 4,529
Thanks: 0
Thanked 62 Times in 57 Posts
LenMiyata is making a name for themselvesLenMiyata is making a name for themselves
Credits: 46,369
Re: Global Warming, the new religion.

Grumble Grumble Grumble
Quote:
Originally Posted by exderz View Post
we are talking about the main reason....and pretty much it is.
Actually, this ISN'T what were talking about... The first post to this thread was this...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arrianna View Post
Ok, first disclaimer: this thread is not for discussing whether or not man made Global Warming is true.

Recently I have been listening to people defending man made global warming against skeptics and I am being reminded strongly of fanatical religious discussions defending religion against skeptics. For them it is something one shouldn't even question. It appears to have become a matter of blind faith.

So as I was wondering to myself if it had become a matter of "religion" for many I discovered an article that hit upon what I was thinking.

World Watch by Orson Scott Card


So what do you think? Has belief in Global Warming risen to levels of religious fervor? Is it something that "must be believed" without question or is it simply a matter of some political debate?
__________________
FAVOURITE THREADS EXPLAIN why, or risk an infraction.
Rantings of a Grouchy Old Anime Otaku
Status: Offline
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Global warming! jaderabbit Debate and Discuss 44 Sep 01, 2006 07:50 PM
religion Wing 0 The Vault 19 Sep 15, 2005 10:10 AM
What religion are you? Brittle_Bullet999 The Vault 51 Aug 21, 2005 11:59 AM
Global warming GuardianAngel1292 The Vault 34 Aug 04, 2005 01:46 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:31 AM.


Manga Fox | Anime Wallpapers | Ringtones | Anime Avatars | Wallpapers | Anime Girls | Watch Anime Online | Anime Buddy Icons
Anime Online Banners by fooligar. ©
This Anime skin cannot be reproduced on any website without written permission from the Anime Online Staff.
Ad Management by RedTyger

SEO by vBSEO

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113