atomik_sprout

"What sort of entity is the human mind?"

The human mind can be God to each and every one of us if we believed it to be. There are a lot of quantum physicists who believe that the reason we can't walk on water is because we believe we are phyisically incapable to do so. If I were to smack one of you and you believed with your all your might and soul that it wouldn't hurt, I probably wouldn't hurt you. The reason behind this, most believe, is because the atomic world is much different than the world we can only see with our eyes. If we can use our minds to concentrate massive amounts of chi (or in this case energy) to break multiple cinder blocks with a single chop and shatter wooden boards with our feet, it's because we believe we can do so. If we can concentrate on focusing energy for other purposes, the possibilities are limitless.

Energy is what created the universe, energy is what sends signals to our brains to let us know what pain is and what happiness is, energy is what keeps everything alive and energy is produced by living things--especially us humans. We only use ten percent of our brains currently, just to function in our "normal, average lives". Were we to use 50% to 95%, we could probably be/do much more than what we are already.

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Arrianna

I'm afraid that is a modern myth, sorry.
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anime_being_god

So would you say that the human mind is evidentially more relevant to theism, or naturalism?

Remember that theism requires that human agents freely choose to act in one way rather than another. And Naturalism is a worldview based on experience, reason, and science, that are experiences of the qualities of the world that we observe with our senses: colors, sounds, tastes, etc.

But also, whether theism or naturalism about the human mind is true turns on whether there exist any human minds that aren't physically realized.

But in turn, it can explain whether or not it is our mind that makes our choices, or the will that handles that matter

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Arrianna

I would say in the case of evidence concerning the human mind neither excludes the other, theism nor naturalism.

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anime_being_god

Yes.
Based on the evidence shown so far in this debate, it would seem so that both naturalism and theism have say to what the mind does through or without will.

But how about looking at it this way, if one naturalism or theism, had to be more credible than the other, which would it be, and why?

I would say theism would be more credible for the fact that naturalism may only make your body adapt in some cases rather than theism which gives the ability to choose freely of ones actions, rather than through experince.

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NeoDeath90

i believe that naturalism is a more credible explanation due to the fact that i feel there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of a higher power. Because naturalism has proven facts about our brain i find its side of the spectrum to be more believable.

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Rave_Grip

Maybe our minds'/brains' behaviour and potential cannot be explained completely by both naturalism and theism.
There is something about our unconscious mind that science cannot explain ... yet.

Also, like I said, the reason some people are able to achieve astounding results is not always because they have 'special talents', but rather they [or mostly their minds] perceive reality in a different way. And reality is based on what we expect to be conceivable within the parameters of the factual world we live in.
Because our brain also has a will, you see. It’s like, the more you train your brain, the more things you will see in a different perspective. And if your mind is happy, it’ll treat your body well, without you knowing it most of the time. I’ll agree with Arrianna, though – “neither excludes the other”.

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Arrianna

I believe in this case "theism" does not require a belief in a higher power. The concept is that there is a will or intelligence that transcends the constraints of the body. There are many beliefs that have nothing to do with theology that have come out with reasons that would explain this.

Not to get Jedi on the conversation but... there is definite evidence in a "global consciousness". That information and occurrences can be transmitted to the minds of other animals of the same species without their being present or even in contact. If our minds are plugged into this global consciousness is it so hard to believe there could be another source of our intelligence then merely the physical body?

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Rave_Grip

Maybe it's because we are created by the same matter just like the Earth, so it is possible that we are all connected and what happens around us affects us indirectly.

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Arrianna

What kind of matter would that be though? It couldn't be a physical matter as we understand it but perhaps a type of energy matter. Since all things are found to have things like electrical fields etc it would be believable but something that our science is hardly up to really discovering at this time. Perhaps quantum physics can discover it. I believe it but that doesn't make it not "unseen" as of yet.

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Rave_Grip

True. Every matter with mass produces its own gravitational field. And there are several types of rocks/stones that produce their own electrical fields e.g Stonehenge.

And I meant we are created by the same elements as the Universe; such as quarks, electrons, hydrogen, carbon etc ... so it wouldn't be surprising that we are all connected in many ways.

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