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There are two possible ways I could respond to this posting...

1. Now how did that quote from the Bible go??? "The Lord acts in mysterious ways..." which can also being interpreted as the acts of God are beyond the comprehension of us mere mortals, so whats the point on complaining on something that is beyond your understanding???

2. The subject is irrelevant unless you can show that God actually exists. Philosophers and Religious Scholors having been trying for centuries to logically prove the existence of God, and the only thing they have proved is that the only safe position to take is the agnostic one...

And this doens't read like a Sensory Pleasure subject thread... Moving to the Debate Forum...

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aceman67

The bet God had with the Devil was to see if he could get one of his Followers, his most faithful, to denounce him and side with the devil.

God won the bet, and to reward him, Job had a more peaceful and prosperus life then he had before for his faithfulness until the end of his days. Because of this bet, the Devil is no longer allowed to directly affect man in the way he treated Job, which is why we now see the Devil as a Master of Temptation.

The fundimental corner stone of almost all religions is the freedom of choice, to pick our own paths and basicly do what we want. The only catch is we need to face the consiquences of our actions.

With the exceptions of the events depicted in the bible, God does not interfere with the everyday lives of mortals, as Len put it "He works in Mysterious Ways"

Got got a question for you: Can you really define evil?

Evil is a point of view, not an absolute. The same goes for "Good" as well.

Also, with the exception of what you said about biblical events, everything you put forward deals with the world of man, made by man, controled by man, so by your definition, Man is guilty, not God. God didn't make the Corrupt government, he made the Man who chose to rule Corruptly. God didn't let the murderer go free, God made the people who made up the justice system that let the murderer, who was judged by a jury of his peers, go free.

Anything that is made by man is not perfect, since man himself is not perfect and is prone to flaws.

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katsoyori33

Exactly. I agree with all of that, ace. God didnt make the corrupt government. We did. Oh and Manga artist, you said you'd rather follow Christ than God. They are father and son. And Jesus Christ acted on behalf of God.

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Inuruto

I don't read the Bible like most & am not to fond of religion, but find it most interesting... (I was once into religion & going to church, until I actually had my own free will)
Faith is what I have, but not in God or religion... I put my faith in inanimate objects like love, air, gravity, & actions, but they say God is love, so if I had to classify my faith it is in love not God cause I really can't see someone who will watch "the destruction of the world for his own enjoyment or just to prove a point"...

If I actually believe in the Bible like that I would agree with Ace' he makes a good point about "good & evil" that is why I don't put my faith in people either, but their actions, since I would be the one to depict what is good or evil.

I guess I can say God is guilty for making man what man is & letting man become what man has become... So who is really to blame man or God..? We all had our own free will to make choices...

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But what is so wrong about letting people die??? (As sooner or later, everyone dies...) God's main concern (according to the Bible) is about your properties in the afterlife...

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Peach_follows

Good point Len... without death there would be no room for the continuation of life. A

Also, it is a matter of opinion that disfigurement is a mistake. As Len did say "God works in mysterious ways". We are all unique... a disfigurement is just another something that could set someone apart from others. We all have something that makes us different. And, I personally believe since we arent able to understand WHY things are the way they are... than we need to accept that theres a purpose behind these "mistakes" that is beyond our comprehension.

As to your claims about the bible...
I have actually done my fair share of bible study. So I will try my best to explain it the way I have learned it.

OK, God gives mankind free will, because as our creator he wants to be loved. Love can not sincerely exist unless it is a choice.
Adam and Eve Chose to dissobey God, and be swayed by satan. Who, before hand was given the duty to watch over the earth when he was Lucifer, an angel of God. From the moment Eve and Adam partook of the fruit (that God forbid) we all become decendants of imperfection.
Satan is our choice, without the power mankind gives Satan, he would have none. Thusly because power was not given to Satan by God, God will not take it away.

I believe the whole JOB story was pretty well explained by Ace... :

And just to add fruther... God placed no "bets". He simply did not stop Satan from Testing Job's faith. God never stops Satan. As I said earlier he won't because It is our choice to give in to "evil" and temptation.

Lastly, to your remarks about God killing people over government officials screwing up. That is not entirely correct. Its been prophecied that we (Humanity) will allow our own governemts to cause turmoil to our earth. And that many men will indeed put faith in the government of man before the "Gods government". At which point the book of Revelation comes into play. Which does indeed state the wrath of God. But, even still... God promises those who keep their faith and love for him will be spared and given a place in paradise.

*Note... These are not MY views persay, just sharing some of the knowledge I have on the topic.

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katsoyori33

He was testing him. Testing to see if he would really do anything for God. He didnt kill him, after all. Also, whats so bad about going to Heaven right?

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Sazzy

Then you have only thought about the smaller scale of the events you mentioned. For the sake of humanity, surly you cannot judge on God's actions. You yourself, can not fathom what God thinks. You only speculate and there have a close minded answer most likely. Everything that happens, happens for a reason, weather its fate or destiny, things will happen. So there will be a time where you don't know what it happens but it does. Either accept that fact that there is always a much larger scale of events or just keep to one's one selfishness to only do what you think is right.

The problem really is choice. Maybe choose to believe, and others don't. Much like how people choose to understand others while close minded people don't. Its all down the paths we work in life and how we decide how to live. Our choices are what shows our individuality and how we get through life to the destination that is death. We are here to help others in the world reach the destination as safely as possible. To make friends and memories to get us through life here and to be assured that we won't be forgotten.


But you are looking at it all wrong in my opinion. If you are so pushed at looking at him being the bady, then that is your own negative thoughts putting him into that context. You are so set on looking at ways to make him seem the like the devil, then I would say your perception on good and evil is a little off the scale.

Lets use the metaphor of a teacher and a pupil. If the teacher didn't test the pupil, then how would the teacher know the pupil had learnt anything during classes?? You need to test someone in day to day life, to check if they understand what they have learnt and that they can put it into action. That is all that God does to people. He checks their progression in faith and locality. If he didn't check then he could easily be betrayed more often as his followers would turn a blind eye. Much like how from what I can, some people fail to really look at the situations in more depth and only accept what they read rather than understanding more what they read and how to perceive it.

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