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    Quote Originally Posted by princesslady View Post
    uhhhh yea i get all you sayin but uhhh you arent sure how halloween is originated. no one does., and how did you get that the meaning of trick oir treat was swtarted by boycouts in 1920-1930's? that is false.
    Well lets see... historians? Or maybe that my mother remembers when it spread to where she lived and my grandmother was able to tell me about it's conception since she was born before 1910.

    How about this?
    "By the turn of the century, Halloween had become an ever more destructive way to �let off steam� for crowded and poor urban dwellers. As Stuart Schneider writes in 'Halloween in America' (1995), vandalism that had been limited to tipping outhouses; removing gates, soaping windows and switching shop signs, by the 1920�s had become nasty -- with real destruction of property and cruelty to animals and people. Perhaps not coincidentally, the disguised nighttime terrorism and murders by the Klu Klux Klan reached their apex during the decade. Schneider writes that neighborhood committees and local city clubs such as the Boy Scouts then mobilized to organize safe and fun alternatives to vandalism. School posters of the time call for a �Sane Halloween.� Good children were encouraged to go door to door and receive treats from homes and shop owners, thereby keeping troublemakers away. By the 1930�s, these �beggar�s nights� were enormously popular and being practiced nationwide, with the �trick or treat� greeting widespread from the late 1930�s."

    - Jill Pederson Meyer
    Add that to the fact that the phrase "trick or treat" wasn't recorded until 1941 after being used as the title of a poem in "The Saturday Evening Post" (the same people who gave us "The Night Before Christmas") and you have a pretty convincing arguement that trick or treat is a modern tradition from the US.



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    im sorry but some of your facts are inncorrect. it is not a catholic hiliday it's pagan. it was adopted by catholics. thats what you mean
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    well no duh it was a christian holiday(easter and christmas) but halloween is a pagen holiday.
    No, if that was what I meant that is what I would have said. You know I have read alot of claims from you but have yet to see a single link of backable fact to substantiate a single one.

    Here, read this. It pretty much debunks most of what you are asserting.
    History of Halloween : Myths, Monsters and Devils


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    Now the festival of All Saints Day was moved but that happened alot back then so I fail to see the big deal.

    All Saints Day
    This feast that we know as All Saint's Day originated as a feast of All Martyrs, sometime in the 4th century. At first it was celebrated on the first Sunday after Pentecost. It came to be observed on May 13 when Pope St. Boniface IV (608-615) restored and rebuilt for use as a Christian church an ancient Roman temple which pagan Rome had dedicated to "all gods", the Pantheon. The pope re-buried the bones of many martyrs there, and dedicated this Church to the Mother of God and all the Holy Martyrs on May 13, 610.

    About a hundred years later, Pope Gregory III (731-741) consecrated a new chapel in the basilica of St. Peter to all saints (not just to the martyrs) on November 1, and he fixed the anniversary of this dedication as the date of the feast.

    A century after that, Pope Gregory IV (827-844) extended the celebration of All Saints to November 1 for the entire Church.
    So the date of Nov 1st is based on the day a new chapel to "All Saints" was dedicated.


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    As for Samhin what we do know about it's origins are this and no more.

    Bulfinch's Mythology Chapter XLI - Druids Iona
    The other great festival of the Druids was called “Samh’in,” or “fire of peace,” and was held on Halloweve (first of November), which still retains this designation in the Highlands of Scotland. On this occasion the Druids assembled in solemn conclave, in the most central part of the district, to discharge the judicial functions of their order. All questions, whether public or private, all crimes against person or property, were at this time brought before them for adjudication. With these judicial acts were combined certain superstitious usages, especially the kindling of the sacred fire, from which all the fires in the district, which had been beforehand scrupulously extinguished, might be relighted. This usage of kindling fires on Hallow-eve lingered in the British islands long after the establishment of Christianity.


    That's it. There's no more. The current worship of Samhin is a modern creation from the 1800's during a fad of fascination with 'druids' in England.

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    In conclusion if someone is celebrating Halloween they are celebrating a modern version of a Catholic holiday if they are celibrating Samhin they are celebrating a modern version (with almost no bearing in reality) of a Celtic holiday. That's it. No more.

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    i dont think iuts either good or bad.. i think its just fun,, like i wouldnt keep my kids from doing it, but i think id eat some of there candy!! twa ha
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    hallow ween is a good thing i belive because from what i know
    about the druids used that day as the beginng of the winter solestice
    or something and then it sam hain came to be related to it alot of difrent
    bad things, but i think as kids have fun ,people have party's halloween will never be a bad thing
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    I think halloween itsn't bad nor good.
    People have different opinions of what halloween means to them.
    Some people find it a day when you can dress up in costumes and going door to door asking for candy or partying like there's not tomorrow. Then there's some that celebrate it as the eve of All Saints’ Day. And then there's people who have strong religious beliefs.
    So baically halloween is neutral.
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    Halloween was once a bad thing and symolized bad things. But now its a totally different time. And halloween is no longer about what it used to be about. All its about is the celebration of fear and candy! What a good mix. I mean i used to think it was bad because i was told it was bad. Because of what it used to mean. But that died along time ago.

    So go have fun and dress up! Your doing nothing wrong!

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    I haven't gone out for this event in a looooooong time...last time I ever did was....when I was 13 or 14 years old. That was about 9 years ago or so..now I'm 22. If ever I have children, I should go again, to help the children and maybe have a part of the stash xD

    No matter what it was in the past, Halloween is today a means to gather people together on various occasions, good or bad. Each occasion can be seen on many different aspects and it's what makes an even worth going to depending on your personal interests and reasons why you participate in it.
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    Over time man finds that the start of things has nothing to do with them even thou they are involed one way or another, they forget, never been told or just don't care. If man forgets about it all than is it still ture, I think so cuz if it happened then thats it, no changing it. I for one fully side with sliverskater145 on the facts that has been given, only the ones that care can see the right and wrong in halloween or in anything for that mater.
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    i from salem mass and holloween is here is the best... this is the biggest tourist attraction in the world on hollween and it a blast you guys should come ceck it out
    there's nothing funny about a one eyed bunny


    that'll teach the fist person i see

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