Originally Posted by Tbaism

Shu was on the dot when he said I exaggerated a bit.



We can rebuild her! We have the technology! Better, faster, stronger than before. That deprogramming must have definentally been related to technology and software.

Hmm...better aye? That is kinda messed up man. It is all good to fill in the void, but really crushing a belief and replacing it forcefully is out there...I mean out there.

Why exactly was she wrong or what she believed in? You have got to think of yourself pretty highly to run around like that.

Eh, still don't say the end justifies the means.

Originally Posted by Shodokan

Before I answer you seriously you did read everything I wrote at least once right? Including what I wrote about about the 14 year old girl and what I said at the end.

There are many things wrong with a belief in a deity. For example my cousin's son died and she said that theres nothing anyone could have done to prevent it because his life was in god's hands.
He was a gangster who killed people and sold crack for a living. Do I really need to explain to you why this thinking is wrong.

Like I explained to you before she is better off for not believing in god. We helped her tremendously by shattering her beliefs.

The ends do not justify the means. If we tied her up and beat her to get her to renounce her belief in god or starved her for days or something else ridiculous then it wouldn't be worth it.

Anyway believing homosexuality is wrong is a belief. I say this because even when presented with scientific evidence that strongly suggest that homosexuality is perfectly natural. They refuse to believe so because of their belief in god. I say if they will strongly believe something so foolish because of that brake and shatter their beliefs.

Originally Posted by Tbaism

Guess Miroku said it all there. Almost don't feel like making post now..hmph :/

I am stealing all your stuff now :P




It is their beliefs and who can truly say which is right and which are wrong. Who can rightfully decide that and/or has the right to forcefully change it.
That kind of thinking and personal action is what has destroyed countless ancient religions of the past and have led to unjust persecution for thousands of years. This is no exaggeration but actual fact, unlike that homosexualilty being normal by scientific fact theory. Who gave you the right to decide for another or decide what was the right path for them?

When you ask me if I read your post all the way to the end, even the part with the 14 yr old girl..I say I have. My response is this..2 wrongs don't make a right. Like I said before, you arn't a professional in the field of psychology or sociology nor even close to an amature. You need back away from things you don't know and quit thinking you have the right, knowledge, or say so, after just having read a couple of articles.

I was in the mood and enjoyed reading your first post with a light heart, but personally and honestly, I think you are disgusting as a human being or simply stupid; either or, the mix could be the latter.

There are plenty of ways you can deal with a situation without forcefully and descisively breaking down a person mentally. You are playing with fire and don't even realise it. You could have seriously ruined a person's life or could have set the process in motion. You have no idea what exactly would have happened in the future for either two girls except for expectations, assumptions, and theories. So what if the woman thought her son's life was in the hands of god. What is your point huh? That believing in the all mighty is wrong? Who are you exactly? Last time I checked, the pope's online handle wasn't Shodokan.

The 14 yr old girl..who knows if she would have come to her senses right at the last minute or would have never been given the chance to do anything. Maybe the guy could have had a last second chance of regret and called the whole thing off. Even if these are highly unlikely to happen, the fact remains you did something only a moron would do. You tape recorded a conversation between you and the guy the girl supposedly loved, and then played it to her without hesitation. She could have easily started to fear men at that exact moment, not trust them, hate them even, just as easily as she started considering you a "cool dude."

It isn't your right to interfere and personally decide what people should or should not believe in. Just because you think you have the power to change something doesn't mean it is the right thing to do, no matter how much you think it is.

I have know kids who have been beaten with metal bats and still not give in to taking an order. Physical pain? Cuts and bruises can heal with a little time, while mental damage can last for a lifetime and/or never be fixed.

These are your beliefs though and I gave my opinion of them. I can easily say I hope you come across some situation with a real professional and get what you deserve.

Originally Posted by Tbaism

Shodokan, I am only going to post this once.

You need to go back and read that Wikipedia manual and guildines for deprogramming again and then edit your posts. Then I suggest you refrain from talking about this subject in the future or deeply diving into anything personal experience you have had during your life in future posts.

You are breaking one of the cardinal rules hosted by AO and not seeing where your fault is. You need to take those observation skills of your and apply it to yourself, otherwise you could be in some serious trouble toward the future.

Again, I ask that you quit trying to defend this when you don't know much about the subject. This may seem like a challenge to you, because it probably is sub-consciously, but in fact this is a cease and dismiss warning from a fellow colleague studying a related topic. This is a friends advise, not a rival here.

I will follow your lead.

Originally Posted by Tbaism

This isn't about what I think, it is what I know and what others know and feel. It is about being held accountable for your actions. You don't see the seriousness of what you have posted and the legalities in which is related.

The cardinal rule that you have broken is posting personal information in which it can effect the safety of a member. Believe it or not, but talking about yourself can lead to serious consequences in the future.

From what have seen from your profile is that you are 21 years of age and that only makes this situation worse.

I don't want to undermine you but if you don't edit your posts now I will request that a Moderator intervine and do it for you.